Thoughts about Mrsupps Prohormone stacks...
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Bootstomper
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When you say "stacks" not sure if you mean the prebuilt stacks in mrsupps store, or just a stack containing mrsupps products. Depending on your goals and stats (height, weight, how long you been training, eating, etc...) you can't go wrong with helladrol or epi strong as a first cycle. People have run it as a first cycle, but Beast v2 isn't one I would recommend for a first run in most cases.
Halodrol is a nice mild first compound which is good to start with.
I myself prefer Anteaus Labs Talos for cycle support over Forged Liver support, but for cycle supports utilizing the ingredients Forged has I'd personally go AI sports Nutrition Cycle Support 2.0 first or CEL Cycle assist second better dosed and better prices.
There isn't a huge need for a Formestane product with this cycle, Halodrol doesn't aromatize so you don't want to crush what little estrogen you have you need balance, and if you are dealing with rebound estrogen in pct you don't want to use Formestane because it converts to 4 hydroxytestosterone which is suppressive.
As for Forged Post Cycle most of the ingredients have anecdotal evidence of effectiveness for test boosting. Typically Sodium D-Aspartic Acid + a SERM is what will get your natural production back on track everything else isn't needed.
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I just got the Helladrol stack. Day 2. People have good results from it if you do it right. I have an extra bottle of Helo if you need one if your not going with the stack...
Bootstomper
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It's a "starter" stack for a reason, IMO.... It's a good stack to start with as a base, but does need a few things added in order to be "complete".
As for the items in forged PCT having "anecdotal evidence", I'd say their evidence of working is no more anecdotal than DAA.
TUDCA is the best liver support.
Forma stanz is really only going to be suppressive/anabolic at high doses, which is why when that is recommended in PCT it's recommended to taper down (like 10/6/6/6 pumps per day).
And Noob makes a great point about the back pumps, pick up some Taurine to combat those bad boys. Run creatine and fish oil all the way through as well (not in relation to back pumps).
As for the items in forged PCT having "anecdotal evidence", I'd say their evidence of working is no more anecdotal than DAA.
TUDCA is the best liver support.
Forma stanz is really only going to be suppressive/anabolic at high doses, which is why when that is recommended in PCT it's recommended to taper down (like 10/6/6/6 pumps per day).
And Noob makes a great point about the back pumps, pick up some Taurine to combat those bad boys. Run creatine and fish oil all the way through as well (not in relation to back pumps).
Bootstomper
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Also, as far as the "suggestion" included in that starter stack of running it for 4 weeks, I believe that's only put there to "tread lightly" so to speak as far as legality, blah blah blah. Run Hella for 6 weeks.
I think the AI is there because you should be using a test booster and you need the AI to stop it from aromatizing. You know? Because if the helladrol is shutting me down I would want to boost my test. I looked over that starter pack too and I thought it was a bit incomplete too. I'd probably run it like:
1-6: helladrol
1-6: some kind of liver support, doesn't seem to a huge difference between the major ones
2-6: DAA test booster
2-6: an AI; I'd personally use arimidex or e-control, still haven't decided
7-9: clomid and maybe another test booster
Ok first off no one take this advice.
As for test boosters they do little good, find me any research(actual scientific research not supplement company propaganda) that tribulus, maca, mucuna pruriens, longjack, fenugreek, honry goat weed, stinging nettle or what ever other crazy ingredient actually causes a boost in test through FSH and LH, not just raising free test.
When exogenous androgen's stop natural test production no booster is going to prevent(fully or partially) that on cycle. Look at it this way, your body see's hormones in it, realizes it doesn't have to produce them because it is getting them externally, stops doing work it doesn't have to. Even when people are on hormone replacement therapy they only use hcg to mimic LH to prevent total testicular atrophy.
As for your cycle recommendations, no one listen to this either. Your missing the basic concept here, male bodies need a balance of androgen to estrogen to function properly, if you take away the body's ability to produce estrogen because endogenous androgen's are not being produced and exogenous androgen's are incapable of being turned into estrogen your estrogen levels are going to drop and you will experience negative low estrogen related side effects, the last thing you want to do is run an aromatase inhibitor on cycle which will hinder what ever little ability you have left to produce estrogen.
As for AI's foremestane on cycle while running something that can aromatize is fine, would not use it post cycle because it can be suppressive. I prefer exemestane(aromasin) as my AI of choice, it's steroidal and suicidal in nature which renders aromatase inert until metabolism vs adex or letro which just stop it for a while then release it back. As for using an AI on a cycle with a non aromatizing compounds, I wouldn't suggest it. Having one for PCT is fine to regulate high levels aromatase levels while resuming natural test production.
What???? Look at this stack: https://mrsupps.com/Products/40/Helladrol+Starter+Stack/
It has an AI in it.
And if someone sold a stack with estradiol in it would you take that too just because it's part of the stack?
Anyone can put any set of products together doesn't mean it's a good idea.
Do I think having an AI on hand like exemestane is a good idea yes(because it is steroidal/suicidal, it's 17b hydroxy metabolite has weak AR binding and hasn't been shown to be suppressive as well as it only coverts to it at a 1/10th rate which would be 1.25mg eod), in case of estrogen related side effects, do I think using Formestane which converts to 4-hydroxy test which is suppressive in a pct is a good idea no, the point of a pct is to get you back to normal using something suppressive is the exact opposite.
It's not for PCT. The AI is for on cycle although I don't know why. It says that Hellodrol is suppressive for natty test. I imagine they want you to take a test booster for on-cycle which is what the AI is for (to stop that test from aromatizing). What would a good helladrol cycle look like, in your opinion?
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