TOO Much for a 2nd CYCLE?!?!

[IRonBuilT]

Hey I know some of you might not want to read this cuz soo many ppl might have asked the same thing but my question is a little different from the rest.

first off im 19 and weight 165lb approx. 9-10% bodyfat maybe a lil less.
My first cycle ended 1 month 3 weeks ago which was 250mg/wk of Aratest (50 prop 200enan) for 10 weeks, and I gained roughly 14lb off of it which I guess is OK...

This is my question.... I want to start another cycle in the beginning of September which should be a total of 4 month rest time from my 1st cycle.
It will be.....
Week 1-10 : 500mg/wk enan
Week 1-8: 400mg/wk Deca Durabolin
Week 1-4: 30mg/day Dbol
Week 7-12: 50mg/day winny
Week 8-15: Clen and Ketotifen
Week 1-16: 20mg/day Nolva
Week 13-16: Clomid
Week 1-16: 1000mg/day Milk Thistle

NOTE: All of this is IP Gear except the Clomid and Milk Thistle

Im not sure if this is a BIG jump for a 2nd cycle or what exactly,
also I know how everyone usually says "it depends" but how much gains do you think I will get considering its my 2nd cycle only giving it a 4 month resting period and im 19 weighting 165lb gaining 14lb from last cycle.
Also if you have any advice to give me with this cycle or anything please let me know.
Oh yea 1 more thing where can I get GOOD milk thistle for real cheap? the ones that contain silymarin 80%

 

[StoneColdNTO]

Moved to the appropriate forum........

 

[stonecold54]

Hey I know some of you might not want to read this cuz soo many ppl might have asked the same thing but my question is a little different from the rest.

first off im 19 and weight 165lb approx. 9-10% bodyfat maybe a lil less.
My first cycle ended 1 month 3 weeks ago which was 250mg/wk of Aratest (50 prop 200enan) for 10 weeks, and I gained roughly 14lb off of it which I guess is OK...

This is my question.... I want to start another cycle in the beginning of September which should be a total of 4 month rest time from my 1st cycle.
It will be.....
Week 1-10 : 500mg/wk enan
Week 1-8: 400mg/wk Deca Durabolin
Week 1-4: 30mg/day Dbol
Week 7-12: 50mg/day winny
Week 8-15: Clen and Ketotifen
Week 1-16: 20mg/day Nolva
Week 13-16: Clomid
Week 1-16: 1000mg/day Milk Thistle

NOTE: All of this is IP Gear except the Clomid and Milk Thistle

Im not sure if this is a BIG jump for a 2nd cycle or what exactly,
also I know how everyone usually says "it depends" but how much gains do you think I will get considering its my 2nd cycle only giving it a 4 month resting period and im 19 weighting 165lb gaining 14lb from last cycle.
Also if you have any advice to give me with this cycle or anything please let me know.
Oh yea 1 more thing where can I get GOOD milk thistle for real cheap? the ones that contain silymarin 80%

ummm, how tall are you because if you started off at 150 before you started cycling I think that might be a bit early to start. but I guess whats done is done. and yes what you have listed for a second cycle is too much especially given your age. unless you are going to be a pro bodybuilder in the next 3 years or a NFL football player i think you need to take a break from the sauce, eat some chicken and train hard three times a week.

 

[IRonBuilT]

Im 5"10, im not thaaat young, ill be 20 in a month. I know ive reached my natural limit or atleast platoed big time because ive been doing the same weights for the past year before my first cycle and ive been lifting for 3 years.. I dont have the greatest genetics and i used to weight 130lb and gained a lil over 20lb naturally in 2 years and the 3rd year I couldnt go up in strength, weight or anything;so I know im pretty much done naturally. I kno how to lift right, eat well, etc etc etc I also had a trainer before who taught me everything I need to know, so im pretty much educated. If anyone else has any more advices feel free to tell me (BUT DONT tell me im too young blah blah blah cuz im gonna take this cycle )Also the reason why im taking a lil higher dosage for a 2nd cycle is because im only giving it a 4month resting period so I need more dosage to make up for the fact im not giving it more resting time (And No I cant wait till later to take the cycle it must be from Sept-Dec.) Im hoping to be 185lb solid.. you think its possible?

 

[IRonBuilT]

oh yea do you think IP is bad choice? thats all I can get... I cant get from anywhere else.

 

[performance_issues]

if i was u bro i would just do a test dbol cycle it seems to be a bit of jump from 250mg of test to now 500mg of test with 400mg of deca with dbol and Winstrol (winny) and 14pounds isnt bad on a first cycle

i would do this cycle if i was u

1-12 test enathate 500mg
1-4 dbol 30mg ed

just my take on things bro

 

[jcp2]

Im 5"10, im not thaaat young, ill be 20 in a month. I know ive reached my natural limit or atleast platoed big time because ive been doing the same weights for the past year before my first cycle and ive been lifting for 3 years..

If you have only been lifting for 3 years and you think you hit your natural limit one year ago, you have some serious work to do with your training and diet. Fuck, i can make gains naturally now even after numerous cycles, shit i am making them as we speak.

 

[stonecold54]

Im 5"10, im not thaaat young, ill be 20 in a month. I know ive reached my natural limit or atleast platoed big time because ive been doing the same weights for the past year before my first cycle and ive been lifting for 3 years.. I dont have the greatest genetics and i used to weight 130lb and gained a lil over 20lb naturally in 2 years and the 3rd year I couldnt go up in strength, weight or anything;so I know im pretty much done naturally. I kno how to lift right, eat well, etc etc etc I also had a trainer before who taught me everything I need to know, so im pretty much educated. If anyone else has any more advices feel free to tell me (BUT DONT tell me im too young blah blah blah cuz im gonna take this cycle )Also the reason why im taking a lil higher dosage for a 2nd cycle is because im only giving it a 4month resting period so I need more dosage to make up for the fact im not giving it more resting time (And No I cant wait till later to take the cycle it must be from Sept-Dec.) Im hoping to be 185lb solid.. you think its possible?

I don't like to take internet pot shots at people but i bet if I trained you for a few months I could put some weight on you. Do you keep a training log? Do you adjust for fast-twitch and slow-twitch fibers when training? do you know the difference between Local adaptive syndrome and General adaptive syndrome and how it relates to how much or how often you train? What kind of cadence do you have in your training? I am just throwing questions out to you. it is impossible to know your genetic potential (that is why it is a potential and not a concrete), there are people in their mid 30s who can still eek out a few pounds of muscle with natural training. Now I am not one to stand up on a pulpit because I started when I was 21 which I now know was to early but whats done is done.

 

[IRonBuilT]

stonecold54 "Now I am not one to stand up on a pulpit because I started when I was 21 which I now know was to early but whats done is done." what happened for you to realize it was early for you?. Im not saying im done for good and ive reached my limit where theres no way I can get bigger, im just saying that I have platued for a while and now im becoming less interested to lift because of the lack of results im seeing, but boiii once you start juicing you have this rush and always want to lift and I live that feeling.

oh yea stonecold54 I know a little about fast/slow-twitch fibers and how I need to change it up with diff lifting methods to get my full potential but I dont know it all and I def dont kno whats this local/general daptive syndrome.... is it that you get adapted to the same method of lifting so you dont gain and you hve to switch it up all the time, which I do??

 

[FATMEXICAN]

Looks good except DBOL. Use prop instead.

 

[soonbebig]

im staring my 2nd cycle soon also ..........done a sus dbol cycle gained 15 pounds

now gonna do a deca bol cycle ...trying to gain as much on smaller cyclse then for the 3rd cycle gonna o deca sus and bol who knows

anyway where in the uk u from

 

[jcp2]

My question is why even post this question, if you are going to do it anyway. THe cycle is not that over the top, and it is well put together, but you are not going to listen to anyone ever. I have been cycling for a few years now and i am actually running less gear now than i was. You know why, because people on the baords run way too much shit, because it is too readily available.

 

[IRonBuilT]

soonbebig: I dont know if you will gain just as much on the deca as the Sustanon (sust) because testosterone is a more potent steroid than deca, unless if your planning on eating a lot more or lifting harder or using more mg/wk

jcp2: The reason y im posting this is not beause I want ppl to tell me not to take it. I want ppl to gimme advices on it like any extra suppliments that im missing or if my cycle should be changed a lil bit like should I run the deca till week 9 instead of 8 or what. Also if you think I could gain 20lb off of this. If theres any serious sideeffects I can get easily due to the fact im giving it only 4 months resting period etc etc. I dont want ppl telling me not to take it cuz im only 19, because I want to get bigger quicker and dont want to wait soo long... my growth isnt an issue because I stopped growing 3-4 years ago (ive been the same height) so that can be neglected

 

[IRonBuilT]

jcp2: actually it would be soo much more convinient for me if I ran 200mg of deca instead of 400mg you think 200 will do fine?

 

[jcp2]

run the deca until week nine. I would run it at 300mg though. Drop the dbol to 20mg, it is a strong drug and trust me when i say it will be more than enough, as long as it is good quality, i can still grow like a weed of it. But it is hard to tell since it is IP. Personally i don't think the Winstrol (winny) is necessary, but if you are deadset on it run it. I don't think it will add much when putting on size, i would save it to run with some prop and tren down the line. Next time don't get ip shit, spend a little more and get a quality brand. if you have any direct questions ask them, and i will answer them, or you can pm me.

 

[stonecold54]

stonecold54 "Now I am not one to stand up on a pulpit because I started when I was 21 which I now know was to early but whats done is done." what happened for you to realize it was early for you?. Im not saying im done for good and ive reached my limit where theres no way I can get bigger, im just saying that I have platued for a while and now im becoming less interested to lift because of the lack of results im seeing, but boiii once you start juicing you have this rush and always want to lift and I live that feeling.

oh yea stonecold54 I know a little about fast/slow-twitch fibers and how I need to change it up with diff lifting methods to get my full potential but I dont know it all and I def dont kno whats this local/general daptive syndrome.... is it that you get adapted to the same method of lifting so you dont gain and you hve to switch it up all the time, which I do??

I am with JCP2 on this, I am finding that after all my years of gear I now realize what it takes to make good gains even when I am natural. I don't know when the realization or knowledge kicked in but I use a whole lot less gear than I did 2 years ago and I am maintaining weights that I never thought possible being off at the present moment.

 

[IRonBuilT]

ok thanks

 

[Got Fina?]

Bro ur going nuts here. What u listed there is enough for like 3 cycles for me. I think its nice to start with little doses and bump it up a bit from cycle to cycle that way ur body is still reacting nice to it.

I think its defiantely an overkill in my opinion since ur body is still new to it and ull see great results from half those doses. Play with the diet not the doses ull ger much better results in my opinion..

 

[IRonBuilT]

yea I kno but I dont wanna do a 3rd cycle I wanna gain 20lb and ill be fine... then ill just train naturlly and trust me I wont do a 3rd cycle if I hit 185lb... I just dont wanna look small once I have that look of a strong guy then ill hit the gym and lift naturally

 

[Osiris of dis Shit]

im just saying that I have platued for a while and now im becoming less interested to lift because of the lack of results im seeing, but boiii once you start juicing you have this rush and always want to lift and I live that feeling.

This quote alone is evidence enough that you have no business using gear. See the qoute below for a blatant contradiction.

yea I kno but I dont wanna do a 3rd cycle I wanna gain 20lb and ill be fine... then ill just train naturlly and trust me I wont do a 3rd cycle if I hit 185lb... I just dont wanna look small once I have that look of a strong guy then ill hit the gym and lift naturally

I hate to break it to you, but a 19 year old 180 lb physique will not look like a "strong guy"....it will take years of training to develop thickness and muscle maturity. If you do not have the motivation to train when you are not on gear, you are in for a long future of no progress. I'm confident that you will be on here in a few months telling us about your plans for your next cycle, and in a year you will be attempting to justifyify your need for HRT.

Unfortunately you are one of those people that will not recognize when he is being irrational, and you do not listen to anybody that disagrees with you. You have made your decisions and that is that. Even when several vets suggest that you are making a mistake, mostly based on their own experiences, you just seem to disregard that information. Learn to eat and lift properly and you will have a lot more fun training between cycles.