training with a hernated disc

Greatztin

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so yea i damaged my back but hey it'll heal, im doing an MRI soon..

so i stopped the deadlifts and squats and i wanted variations so i went searching for bodyweight training, to me training at the gym withought squats and deadlifts just feels weird.. so i told myself i'd go for some bodyweigh training

i found the site called simplefit, and started doing this basic workout which is pretty cool and works well, and as i'm an mma'er i find it quite nice, if anyone else has some idea's of training feel free to post.

I had made a post about starting my first PH, which i chose to be havoc,it was the most suggested by every1 i asked followed by t-bol, and i was going to start this maybe 4-6 months of training with beautiful deadlifts after my back recovers, i think this would be best than using it on a bodyweight workout.

anyways, any tips post out.
 
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i hate to be the bearer of bad news but herniated discs do NOT "heal". ever. the condition is treatable but always reoccuring. if you have spoken to anyone else with a true herniated disc surely they have shared this with you. and i really hope that you're doctor let you in on this when he/she diagnosed you with this condition.

its a chronic condition that will always be a thorn in your side. fortunately there is an effective sequence of stretches that can alleviate some of this pain. site specific depending on where the disc is. btw.. what section is the herniated disc? regardless, the words "squats" and "deadlifts" shouldnt even be in your vocabulary. maybe rack deads one day, but isolation is your best bet for now..

ive had one too many clients with herniated discs with no legible light at the end of the tunnel for them. if you have found a way to heal a herniated disc, please share with me, i will be forever in your debt..

-b
 
Herniated discs can be reabsorbed

Regression of cervical disc herniation observed on magnetic resonance images. Spine. May 1 1998;23(9):990-5

This is obviously dependent on you following the correct exercise program IMHO you should really contact a physio. So a herniated disc can to a certain extent heal but you will always be prone to reoccurrence. The other bad news is that if it becomes worse which could be likely with significant spinal compression or impact activity then you could start suffering from radicular neurological pathology which is often a V. painful and highly debilitating condition.

However as I don't know the severity or location of your herniated disc you should really follow the advice of the medical professional in charge of your case. Advise them on your training and they will no doubtlessly give you a more informed comprehensive and honest prognosis.
 
im getting my mri in 1 month or two, and i dont have a family doctor im checking in on that soon, but yea i dont know what my herniated disc damage is, but i'll get some info soon
 
Theres a few references on the subject herniated regression here is a few links.

Regression of cervical disc herniation observed on...[Spine. 1998] - PubMed Result
Journal of Neurosurgery: Spine - 8(3):300 - Abstract
Journal of Neurological Sciences (Turkish)
Can Herniated Discs Reduce in Size or Resorb?

Heres an article in full.

Can Herniated Discs Reduce in Size or Resorb?
David J. BenEliyahu, D.C., D.A.C.B.S.P., D.A.A.P.M.
Chiropractor

In the past, it was believed that once a patient acquired a herniated disc, it was permanent. However, recent research with MRI and CT outcome studies has documented that this is fallacy. Herniated discs in the cervical and lumbar spine have been shown to not only reduce in size after a period of conservative care, but in many cases regress and disappear upon reimaging.

chiropractic hands

Numerous medical studies and some chiropractic studies have been performed and published. In recent studies by Mochida et al., both cervical (CDH) and lumbar (LDH) disc herniations were studied in pre- and post-MR imaging conditions. In CDH cases, they demonstrated that in 40% of the time, there was a reduction in size or regression. In LDH cases, they demonstrated about a 60% reduction or regression in the size of the herniation. They also found that the larger the extrusion or sequestration, the better the rate of regression. They concluded that disc regression or resorption depended upon size, location and the phase of the injury. Discs tended to reduce in size early on after onset, and more so in the lateral or sequestered type of herniation than smaller or subligamentous herniations. It is interesting to note that most patients in Mochida's study did well clinically with conservative care regardless of the MRI outcome.

In a different study, Mochida found that there is a large percentage of macrophages in excised herniated disc material, as well as evidence of neovascularization. As such, the reduction in size is most likely due to phagocytic or macrophagic digestion, since the body attacks the disc fragment as a foreign protein, much like any other antigen. Immunohistochemistry studies are being conducted at this time to elucidate the pathophysiology of disc herniation and regression.

In a similar study of LDH outcome by Bozzao et al., 63% of the patients treated nonsurgically with epidurals, medication, etc., demonstrated disc resorption upon repeat imaging. In a prospective study of patients with LDH, Ellenberg et al. documented that patients with CT evidence of herniated discs and EMG evidence of radiculopathy had a 78% rate of disc reduction. Matsubara found in a similar study that medical care involving medication, physiotherapy, traction and epidural steroid injections resulted in disc regression in 60% of the cases. In another prospective study, Bush et al. showed disc regression in 12 of the 13 cases studied. The period of care averaged six months, with a range of 2-12 months for good clinical and anatomical MRI outcome.

In one of the few chiropractic care MRI studies, I published a prospective case series of 27 patients with either CDH or LDH. I obtained pre- and post-chiropractic care MRIs and found that in 63% of the cases, there was either a reduction in size, or the disc herniation resorbed completely. I also found that 80% of the cases had good clinical outcomes, and 78% of the patients returned to their preinjury occupations. Chiropractic care was shown to be amenable to the clinical management of the disc herniation not only on a clinical level, but on an anatomical level as well. In a study by Cassidy et al. on the effects of side posture manipulation on CT-documented herniated discs, the authors found that 13 of 14 patients had good clinical results. Of those, about half had a decrease in the size of the herniation on repeat CT followups.

Case Report
In a recent case that I treated, a 48-year-old female patient presented with acute low back and associated leg/extremity pain into the foot. She had evidence of radiculopathy with diminished sensation at the L4/5 dermatomes, and positive root tension signs with a positive straight leg raise at 35 degrees on the left and 45 degrees on the right. DTRs were within normal limits, and there was no significant motor weakness. An MRI of the lumbar spine revealed a large focal disc herniation centrally and to the left.

The patient began treatment on a three times per week schedule and was treated with lumbar flexion/distraction, interferential current and microcurrent delivered by pads and probes. Microcurrent therapy was combined with regular interferential therapy and helped reduce pain and increase circulation to enhance the healing process. Microcurrent was then delivered to the LS spine and lower extremity by probes, stimulating the acupuncture points of the bladder meridian as well as stimulation along the affected dermatome.

The microcurrent therapy helped afford the patient pain management and reduced the healing period. The patient improved significantly with the above mode of care, and repeat MRI imaging showed a reduction in the size of the herniation.

References
1.BenEliyahu DJ. MRI and clinical followup study of 27 patients receiving chiropractic care for cervical and lumbar disc herniation. JMPT 1996;19(9):597-606.
 
good info.. i have 1 client with a herniation in thoracic spine, i didnt see anything in that addressed thoracic.

thanks for taking the time to post that bro.. definetly brings new things to light for me.

this should be a sticky in this forum..

-b
 
Just to add one plus to this I have 2 herniated discs is my lower back and have been to chiropractors which didnt work and have tried Physical theropy I have started site injections (epidurals) from my pain mgnt doctor I am on my 3rd shot and have felt a huge difference so far. Hope this helps its good way to try to help the pain
 
As some of the other posters have said. Disc herniations do not heal. The only way to know for sure that you have a herniation is thru an MRI. As AASynergist said the herniation can reabsorb to some extent. This is beacause the disc is made up of mostly water, so over time the herniation will shrink and the body will do its best to break it up.

You can think of the structure of a disc as a Jelly donut. The outside holds the jelly inside. If you squeeze the donut hard enough the out side tears & the jelly will squirt out. A bit more complicated then that but this analogy works good enough. Once the jelly squirts out it can cause pressure on the nerve. Then you can get radiating pain, numbness, Spasms, weakness ect......

How do you know that you have a disc herniation?
What are your symptoms? Are you having pain all the way down the leg to the foot? Numbness/tingling? Any leg/foot weakness? Foot drop?

You say that you will be 100% healed, but if it is a true herniation as others have mentioned sorry to say you will not be.
If you mean you will recover and not have pain. That is very possible. I have seen herniations on an MRI yet the person can be asympomatic ( no pain ).
 
Yeah they don't heal, I have 3 of them in my neck & I'm steriods to help with strength & pain.... It really helps but 1 side is still stronger than the other =-('ill need surgery disc replacement to fix problem properly. Until then I keep juicing my own cycle to keep me going =-) I running d-dol, test 400, deca 300, equipoise & sustanon 250.
 
There are different levels of herniation....and some people don't even feel them, depending on location of the injury. However, a BAD HERNIATION will incapacitate you....TRUST ME.

I've got 2 herniated discs in my lower back....and believe me....when i got them....there was no fuckin way i could lift a screwdriver....let alone a 50 lb dumb-bell.

How do you know you have a Herniated Disc?

I seriously doubt that you have a Herniated Disc...BECAUSE if you did...you wouldn't be able to walk straight without a cain or some muscle relaxers.

Better get that MRI....and until then, i would advise you to STAY OUT OF THE GYM.

You may simply have a bulging disc...which can be treated with Rest and PT.

A bulging disc is one where the fibers of the disc are damaged...and the fluid inside is pushing out against your sciatic nerv...which causes radiating pain down your legs.

The good news is that you can treat a bulging disc.

However, ONCE THAT DISC is ruptured.... you are fucked. Never the same after that...

BETTER HEED WHAT i'm telling you man.

Proceed to the Gym at your own peril.

PS.
just realized this thread is old. However, that advice i gave is good for anyone who thinks he has a herniated disc. Stay out of the gym, until you know what your injury is.
 
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