Im 23yrs old (will be 24 in Jan when i start my cycle). 5'9". 220lbs. I've been lifting/training hard for a steady 3yrs now (also lifted for a year when I was about 18). This will be my first cycle. I've been doing research on anabolics for the last 3yrs as well and browsing over these forums. I will be running a 10 week cycle of Tren Enth with Oral Winstrol (winny) thrown in from weeks 5-10. Tren Enth will be dosed at 300mg E3D and the Oral Winstrol (winny) at 100mg ED. I will be running Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) through my cycle starting at week 2 dosed at 250iu E3D and up the dose to 375iu E3D for the last two week. Also I will be running Letrozole at 2.5mg EOD and Finasteride 2.5 ED throughout my entire cycle. Will start post cycle therapy (pct) with Clomid 2 weeks after last Tren and Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) shots. I know it is highly recommened to run atleast some sort of Test dosage with Tren if not higher. I've chose to opt out on the test because im gyno prone, i've always had alot of water retention issues and a soft puffy look even with heavy cardio and diet, and I tend to hold fat in estrogenic areas. My next cycle will definately have a Test for it's base, most likely Sust.... All that being said my question is just can you guys drop me some top names of quality Tren i can put my trust in? Over these last three years of browsing over forums iv'e read so many stories about bunk Tren. Anything else would also be appreciated. I know I just went on and on over one little question but this being my first post I didn't want to just pop up on this forum asking questions and disappear like alot of the noobs out there. I figured I would atleast tell you guys a little about myself and my cycle plan first. PM's would also be appreciated. Thanks A Million!
Tren Enth?
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Solid Snake
Getting Big the Ology Way
everyone is going to tell you to use test for your first cycle. I dont know a lot about tren but i know most recommend you wait until your third or fourth cycle before touching it. Im also pretty sure you can get gyno from tren, from progestin I think. You would need prami or caber to battle that. Everyone will also tell you to stay away from Winstrol (winny). Ill let some more experienced users take it from here.
bulletheaded
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If this is your first cycle you can't really know what your reaction to test will be. You're also throwing a bunch of stuff into the mix that you've never had before and if you have side effect issues you won't know what is causing it.
Tren has serious sides for almost everybody at high doses. 600mg is a high dose. Depending on what you read that's equivalent to either around 2 or up to 3 GRAMS of testosterone a week in terms of receptor activation.
All you need to do to start with test is have some tamoxifen on hand at the beginning- if you get sore nips, start taking it and take it for the entire cycle. Trust me, 500mg of sust a week is going to blow you out of the water in terms of results if you've never done anything before. Then start adding in those other things in a later cycle after you know what test does to you. Throwing that giant cocktail in your system when you're completely steroid naive is just dumb. Seriously.
Tren has serious sides for almost everybody at high doses. 600mg is a high dose. Depending on what you read that's equivalent to either around 2 or up to 3 GRAMS of testosterone a week in terms of receptor activation.
All you need to do to start with test is have some tamoxifen on hand at the beginning- if you get sore nips, start taking it and take it for the entire cycle. Trust me, 500mg of sust a week is going to blow you out of the water in terms of results if you've never done anything before. Then start adding in those other things in a later cycle after you know what test does to you. Throwing that giant cocktail in your system when you're completely steroid naive is just dumb. Seriously.
instead of prami, caber, or bromo i was going to use the letrozole to just knockout the estrogen from the start. i've read many post by experienced users stating "get rid of the estrogen in the first place to prevent prolaction sides, stop estrogen there will be no prolactin sides." I've already prepared myself for everybodyy advising me to run the Test, aha. Thanks Bro.
You need test in that cycle bro. Couple things, why are you running letro when tren causes prolactin sides? Have you ran letro before? 2.5mg is a huge dose and you taper up and down slowly.
Your cycle is totally fucked up. Winstrol (winny) will do so much harm drying out your joints. tren gives such dramitc strength increases that when taking Winstrol (winny) also you'll end up hurting yourself bc Winstrol (winny) makes you brittle.
I have a hard time understanding why you'd even need to run Winstrol (winny) when tren leans you out as is with no water weight.
Test should be the only compound used for a first cycle. tren is a very advanced compound and judging by your layout your nowhere ready to run it as you don't even have a dope agonist incase tren sides arise let alone running it without test.
If your worried about water and bloat from test then you need to look at your diet as that is what will control those two issues. Are you not worried about having no sex drive and not being able to get your dick hard? Your on a dangerous path man, you need to do some serious research and get the thought of tren out of your head.
ETA: damn beat me to it
Your cycle is totally fucked up. Winstrol (winny) will do so much harm drying out your joints. tren gives such dramitc strength increases that when taking Winstrol (winny) also you'll end up hurting yourself bc Winstrol (winny) makes you brittle.
I have a hard time understanding why you'd even need to run Winstrol (winny) when tren leans you out as is with no water weight.
Test should be the only compound used for a first cycle. tren is a very advanced compound and judging by your layout your nowhere ready to run it as you don't even have a dope agonist incase tren sides arise let alone running it without test.
If your worried about water and bloat from test then you need to look at your diet as that is what will control those two issues. Are you not worried about having no sex drive and not being able to get your dick hard? Your on a dangerous path man, you need to do some serious research and get the thought of tren out of your head.
ETA: damn beat me to it
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You are correct that if you keep estro in check that prolactin should be fine, but your not taking any compounds that are going to affect your estro.
Taking letro is going to grenade your estro, about 98% of it. Thats bad, add Winstrol (winny) to that and your going to be in real bad shape. When you tank your estro it really fucks with your joints plus now you have Winstrol (winny). Your going to be as brittle as a candy cane.
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We can help you out with whatever you need bro. Just know we're trying to help and steer you straight so you don't mess yourself up. Test is so damn important, little 20yr old females will be running around with more test in their body than you if you run tren only.
Test is what makes you a man, you need that and tren will rid you of any test you have naturally.
Test is what makes you a man, you need that and tren will rid you of any test you have naturally.
I'll take that into consideration. AHA. I literally just LOL'd aha. Thanks.
If your worried about prolactin then why dance around with other compounds instead of dealing with it the right way and using a DA? Yes Winstrol (winny) can help, but as I said, tren gains are lean, why would you need winny?
You've never ran tren therefore you have no idea what to expect strength wise. It's unreal, and when you add Winstrol (winny) it's going to dry your joints soo bad that when lifting that heavy weight that you never could before is seriously going to get you hurt.
You can choose to ignore this advice, but Winstrol (winny) and tren with no test is a disaster period.
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Okay so if i do add the test what is the minimal dose I can take to help prevent shutting down so hard? If test is added where does that leave the HCG? As you said that Letro dose would grenade my estrogen so what do you recommend? Can anyone answer my original question? I know you guys are just trying to lead me down the rite path and I really appreciate it. Thanks.
Run your test between the 200mg-300mg mark a week. 200mg of test is about the norm for a testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) dose. If gyno prone and hell bent on taking letro, run a very low dose at .25 eod since it has a half life of 2-4 days from what i've heard.
Pay attention to your body, as if that dose is too high your joints will start to get real achey and have no sex drive what-so-ever.
I'd much rather you get aromasin as it's easier to control estro. When you disgard letro you need to taper off slowly as you estro can rebound once disgarding.
If your nips start to get puffy then taper up accordingly in very small increments, but at such a low dose of test that probably won't be necessary.
HCG can be ran the same. There's many different protocals so i'll let you research and figure whats best for you.
What was your original question?
MattPorter
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I really don't care what anyone else says but tren acetate SOLO for a first cycle is fine. Ran at a SMALL dose like 25-40mg ED for 6-8 weeks will transform any soft, puffy body into something you will be happy with and confident about.
Tren is very androgenic and some may get no sex drive increase but I know SEVERAL who are androgenic horn balls on tren.
Throwing test at 300mg/week is fine and great, but I juts do not think it is mandatory like the forums have always pushed.
Try a tren only cycle...record results...Try a test only cycle record results then try them BOTH together --- Lots of options.
-Matt
im either going to add test Enth in at 125mg E3D, or change plans and just run a 10 week Sust cycle. it will be atleast a month until i begin. i'll let you guys know how it goes for me either way. solid names of good sust, tren, test e? can anybody give me input on some quality names i can trust for these AS. now that i may have a change of plans the question got a little longer. aha. thanks.
Thanks Alot Matt, I really appreciate your input. Also, what you just said was music to my ears...aha. do you say ace instead of enth incase sides occur? i hear people saying theres more sides with the ace tho. whats your intake on it? i think i'll take your advice so any futher advice down to bone grissle would be highly appreciated. Thanks Bro!
Tren can transform a body period regardless. But i'm curious as to your reason why not to run a low testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) dose of test when it's so readily available?
Well to stay loyal to our board, check out the fitness paradise forum as Z's gear has been proven to be consistent.
Others that come to mind are Spartan, TK Labs(new, but great feedback so far) and i'm not sure about others. I stated the only 2 i'll use if there's random shit I need.
i've always been a big guy also. im 5'9" 220 rite now naturally. can bench 315. always had big strong legs other guys try so hard to get. i want to see some of those lean gains i hear so much about from Tren. i really dont wanna add mass in terms of gains. just harden up all this mass i've naturally gained over the past 3yrs while building some muscle while reducing some body fat. i know tren is capable of these things and thats why i chose it. i've know so many people who have ran test cycles over the years and thats not what im looking for at all. i just want to harden and lean my body rite now. my 2nd cycle will 100% have test as a base when i go on a heavy bulking cycle. i really want to harden and lean my body down to that boiling point since i've been working so hard for 3yrs.
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