Tren Enth?

[Lorello]

well to stay loyal to our board, check out the fitness paradise forum as z's gear has been proven to be consistent.

Others that come to mind are spartan, tk labs(new, but great feedback so far) and i'm not sure about others. I stated the only 2 i'll use if there's random shit i need.

thanks bro. Appreciate the info. Very helpful.

 

[bulletheaded]

I run 125mg/wk test e or c with tren. It keeps my junk working perfectly and doesn't add much estrogen, which I want to avoid because it impedes fat loss and I run to fat.

 

[MattPorter]

Thanks Alot Matt, I really appreciate your input. Also, what you just said was music to my ears...aha. do you say ace instead of enth incase sides occur? i hear people saying theres more sides with the ace tho. whats your intake on it? i think i'll take your advice so any futher advice down to bone grissle would be highly appreciated. Thanks Bro!

NP lorello,

For whatever reason Acetate its fast and starts working on your physique immediately. Plus if sides manifest, you can "retreat faster" however, I doubt that any will be a problem ran at low dose.

Tren enath -- perhaps 400/week would suffice. and yes a low dose of T like 250-300/week just for raging boners is fine.

I was juts pointing out that you simply can have a successful cycle on tren only--especially as a newbie!

-Matt

 

[ChrisWho?]

NP lorello,

For whatever reason Acetate its fast and starts working on your physique immediately. Plus if sides manifest, you can "retreat faster" however, I doubt that any will be a problem ran at low dose.

Tren enath -- perhaps 400/week would suffice. and yes a low dose of T like 250-300/week just for raging boners is fine.

I was juts pointing out that you simply can have a successful cycle on tren only--especially as a newbie!

-Matt

I was just curious because tren is in a class of it's own. Aside from the normal sides of insomnia, night sweats, sweating all day, high BP, liver toxicity etc. it can also have a huge effect on the mental aspect of it.

Some get paranoia but with me I find it can give me slight depression at times and I can imagine it being multiplied with no test whatsoever.

Aside from that, test should always be used as a base and there's no excuse when it's so cheap and available even. Even at a low dose it will help keep hormones balanced without sending estro all over the place.

For an experienced person like yourself, I know you can handle what sides may hit you. But this kids never ran steroids and is jumping to the most advanced. He's also looking for any justification on not to run test as you can see how he jumped excitedly on your post about not needing to run it.

I hope for the best with this kid, but he doesn't know what he's up against and it's not as cut and dry when it comes to tren.

 

[MattPorter]

I was just curious because tren is in a class of it's own. Aside from the normal sides of insomnia, night sweats, sweating all day, high BP, liver toxicity etc. it can also have a huge effect on the mental aspect of it.

Some get paranoia but with me I find it can give me slight depression at times and I can imagine it being multiplied with no test whatsoever.

Aside from that, test should always be used as a base and there's no excuse when it's so cheap and available even. Even at a low dose it will help keep hormones balanced without sending estro all over the place.

For an experienced person like yourself, I know you can handle what sides may hit you. But this kids never ran steroids and is jumping to the most advanced. He's also looking for any justification on not to run test as you can see how he jumped excitedly on your post about not needing to run it.

I hope for the best with this kid, but he doesn't know what he's up against and it's not as cut and dry when it comes to tren.

I hear you on that. However -- I still believe on a LOW dose, like 50mg EOD he may not have too many issues at all. Of course this will depend on the individual, but with tren ---one must MILK the most from the LEAST in regards to gaining from tiny amount of drug.

Even when tren gets ran at 60-75mg ed ---then the sides you speak of become more prevalent, but from people I have known 25-35 a day fare's very well....

But I am completely for stacking with some testosterone. Completely acceptable.

-Matt

 

[Lorello]

the sides sound great! can't wait! aha... but on a serious note i've decided to run:

Week 1-10: Tren E 600mg
Week 1-10: Test E 300mg
Week 6-10: Winstrol (winny) 700mg

any problems with Winstrol (winny) joints i'll just cut dose in half or trash it.

any thoughts on post cycle therapy (pct)? or while on cycle? hcg? etc...etc....

all post cycle therapy (pct) prodcts and things of that nature are available to me, whats my best bet?

 

[essays]

I really don't think you need the Winstrol (winny), like, not even a little bit.

What I think you need is a diet.

 

[Lorello]

we all need a diet my friend... its up to you make it happen. guess i'll toss the winstrol out of the picture.

 

[ChrisWho?]

I still don't like the idea of tren for a 1st but it's your decision. Seriously though, the Winstrol (winny) is a waste and will do absolutely nothing, tren is so strong it'll wash out a shitty compound like winny.

Winny bad far out ways the good, it does have a place in steroid cycles but not when tren is involved. With tren and a good diet it'll lean you out while building muscle 10x better than the shit drug winstrol. Your just wasting your money and you'll soon see.

Good luck bro.

 

[ChrisWho?]

You should try and push that cycle to 12 weeks if you can. I'm running Tren Ace and even though it's the short ester version 5 weeks is where the recomping sky rocketed. With winstrol you know to inject everyday right?

PCT with clomid and nolva as usual, at the end of the cycle blast the Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) at 1000iu a day if you have it. Tren shuts your natty test down hard and it's takes some work to get it going quick again. As I said, lots of different protocols on Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) so research which best fits you.

Keep estro in check, get a dope agonist just to have if prolactin sides hit. Prami or caber will work, but you may be fine on an Aromatase inhibitor (AI) for the mean time. Better safe than sorry though as prolactin induced gyno can happen.

 

[Beasto]

You really don't need the Winstrol (winny) @ all..Should just go with 500mgs of test e ot c for 10 weeks and see how you react to that bro

 

[balboa270]

definately drop the Winstrol (winny) and reguardless of what you hear dont run tren first its taught here for longevity bro know what each compound does and stack more each cycle and monitor blood so you can have knowledge and know your body, fuck the Winstrol (winny) and no tren for a first timer its not a fuckin race

 

[Lorello]

Thanks Everybody. @Balboa im definately not in a race.... the winnys definately out of the picture for me. maybe sometime in the future it will have a use. i appreciate the feedback, after all thats why im hear. im going to run the Tren Enth and Test Enth tho. when i start my cycle i'll keep you guys updated. definately plan on running sust as my next cycle base, but not to jump the gun anymore than i already am... aha again, thanks for all the input.

 

[Lorello]

You should try and push that cycle to 12 weeks if you can. I'm running Tren Ace and even though it's the short ester version 5 weeks is where the recomping sky rocketed. With winstrol you know to inject everyday right?

PCT with clomid and nolva as usual, at the end of the cycle blast the Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) at 1000iu a day if you have it. Tren shuts your natty test down hard and it's takes some work to get it going quick again. As I said, lots of different protocols on Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) so research which best fits you.

Keep estro in check, get a dope agonist just to have if prolactin sides hit. Prami or caber will work, but you may be fine on an Aromatase inhibitor (AI) for the mean time. Better safe than sorry though as prolactin induced gyno can happen.

Chris when do you recommend I run the Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) and at what dose. And blast the Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) at 1000iu at what time?

Im not a complete asshole when it comes to these things as i have put alot of time in reading over forums and doing research although as you stated there are many different protocols and many peope and articles contradict one another.

so what do you recommend on my Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) usage during this cycle?

 

[balboa270]

Start two weeks after first pin and run through cycle and blast or not before post cycle therapy (pct) disontinue use during post cycle therapy (pct)

 

[elmo33]

I would definitely toss the Winstrol (winny). Tren is the most badass steroid there is IMO. If you diet right, train hard, and get rest, the Winstrol (winny) is a waste of money IMO.