Tren question

[lifter121]

I am in no way thinking about running Tren in my first cycle, but was wondering about doses. I have read people going all over the board with their test doses being higher than tren, double the tren dose etc. Then running them even, and some running tren higher than test.

From what I have gathered:
Tren only cycle= Oral only cycle which obviously is a bad idea.

Tren shuts your natural test production down but won't convert to estrogen. Tren is supposed to be 5x androgenic and anabolic then test.

So on to my questions. If you are taking Tren, aren't you wanting that to give you the gains instead of the test? But because Tren suppresses your natural test production, you take test to keep you functioning normally? So why would you run test higher then Tren, when having excess free test to turn into estrogen causes more side effects? Wouldn't the best way to run Tren be basically a little higher than normal levels of test to keep you functioning normally and a good dose of Tren? You are taking Tren to get different results, right? Or am I completely misunderstanding the use of Tren?

My hypothetical doses
200mg/wk of test
500mg/wk of Tren

Lower doses= less sides for the most part and as everyone always says, this isn't a sprint, it's a marathon. Take your time to get where you want.

Again, I am not in anyway thinking of running tren my first cycle. I was just wondering if the way I am thinking is completely wrong, and am curious because of all the different opinions on how to run test and Tren.

 

[slair]

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I am in no way thinking about running Tren in my first cycle, but was wondering about doses. I have read people going all over the board with their test doses being higher than tren, double the tren dose etc. Then running them even, and some running tren higher than test.

From what I have gathered:
Tren only cycle= Oral only cycle which obviously is a bad idea.

Tren shuts your natural test production down but won't convert to estrogen. Tren is supposed to be 5x androgenic and anabolic then test.

So on to my questions. If you are taking Tren, aren't you wanting that to give you the gains instead of the test? But because Tren suppresses your natural test production, you take test to keep you functioning normally? So why would you run test higher then Tren, when having excess free test to turn into estrogen causes more side effects? Wouldn't the best way to run Tren be basically a little higher than normal levels of test to keep you functioning normally and a good dose of Tren? You are taking Tren to get different results, right? Or am I completely misunderstanding the use of Tren?

My hypothetical doses
200mg/wk of test
500mg/wk of Tren

Lower doses= less sides for the most part and as everyone always says, this isn't a sprint, it's a marathon. Take your time to get where you want.

Again, I am not in anyway thinking of running tren my first cycle. I was just wondering if the way I am thinking is completely wrong, and am curious because of all the different opinions on how to run test and Tren.

i think you're right for someone that is cutting....low dose test to keep test in the system, but relying more on the tren for the lean gains....test/tren/anavar is a very popular cycle for cutting.

If someone is bulking though they probably would use a higher dose of test along with the tren....

Someone else can chime in that actually uses tren though lol...

 

[darkside06]

yes, you are right. I typicaly like to run my test at a low dose 300-350 a week just enough to keep a baseline and then run my tren much higher to get the most from my tren gains.

 

[Four1Thr33]

I'm running at the moment
Tren 400
Test 250
Weekly. So i also believe test should be lower so they don't fight for receptors

 

[timbo357]

I am also a believer in running your test lower than your tren, I have just come to this conclusion recently as im running 325mg test E pw and 100mg tren ED and loving it..along with a couple other things.

 

[lifter121]

So the test still gives you gains while on tren, so I guess I could see where people run them the other way around with test higher. But tren gives you more lean gains, but test can do the same thing if your diet is in check and you drink water to get rid of water weight gain. For those of you who have ran tren, what doses did you start seeing sides from? Do the sides get worse as you up your test levels? Or is there no correlation with tren sides from test levels? I appreciate the feedback, I enjoy learning about other compounds even if I have no plans to use them.

 

[SonOfZeu$]

I'm running test at 500 ew and tren at 225 ew, and its going very nice

 

[SonOfZeu$]

I'm running at the moment
Tren 400
Test 250
Weekly. So i also believe test should be lower so they don't fight for receptors

running tren at a higher dose better for more hardness and better gains?

 

[darkside06]

So the test still gives you gains while on tren, so I guess I could see where people run them the other way around with test higher. But tren gives you more lean gains, but test can do the same thing if your diet is in check and you drink water to get rid of water weight gain. For those of you who have ran tren, what doses did you start seeing sides from? Do the sides get worse as you up your test levels? Or is there no correlation with tren sides from test levels? I appreciate the feedback, I enjoy learning about other compounds even if I have no plans to use them.

yes, you can get gains at higher test but if you are running tren, then your results will come from the tren. Tren is 10x more powerful than test, and since they fight for the same receptors the tren wins so IMO you want to run just enough test to keep your libido up and let the gains come from the tren.

Since tren doesn't aromatize then usually when you have sides they are from the test and if the test is at a low dose then these are very minimal and easy to manage.

I've only ever ran Tren ace which is a fast esther and I usually feel it after about 4 days.....my strength starts to rise. by about week 3 i start to see vascularity and muscle hardening.

 

[lifter121]

yes, you can get gains at higher test but if you are running tren, then your results will come from the tren. Tren is 10x more powerful than test, and since they fight for the same receptors the tren wins so IMO you want to run just enough test to keep your libido up and let the gains come from the tren.

Since tren doesn't aromatize then usually when you have sides they are from the test and if the test is at a low dose then these are very minimal and easy to manage.

I've only ever ran Tren ace which is a fast esther and I usually feel it after about 4 days.....my strength starts to rise. by about week 3 i start to see vascularity and muscle hardening.

That makes sense, and that's what I was thinking when I started reading up on tren. It doesn't make sense to me that someone runs 500 or 600mg/wk of test and 500 or 600mg/wk of tren. It seems that all you would be asking for would be side effects from test.

 

[Yebro]

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I was planning on running Tren Ace weeks 5-10 on my current cycle.

Got Test E @ 500mg / week then Tren Ace 100mg EOD.

Should I lower the Test to about 350mg..?

Would really like to use Tren as a bulker more so than cutter...opinions?

 

[lifter121]

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I was planning on running Tren Ace weeks 5-10 on my current cycle.

Got Test E @ 500mg / week then Tren Ace 100mg EOD.

Should I lower the Test to about 350mg..?

Would really like to use Tren as a bulker more so than cutter...opinions?

I am not one to answer that as I have never done a cycle, let alone use tren. But from what I understand is you want the tren to give you results and just use test to keep functioning normally. More gear equals more sides most of the time

 

[ErectusMaximus]

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I was planning on running Tren Ace weeks 5-10 on my current cycle.

Got Test E @ 500mg / week then Tren Ace 100mg EOD.

Should I lower the Test to about 350mg..?

Would really like to use Tren as a bulker more so than cutter...opinions?

Okay, even though this should be in its own thread it is related sooooo....

I would run the tren a little longer, like weeks 5-12 ( assuming its a 12 week test cycle). Dropping your test down to 350mg per week is a good idea imo but remeber you have test E, if you can I would buy some test P and save the E for a deca/eq cycle or whatever. I would not worry about that so much but its still a fact. I would run the tren @ 400mg a week during its period.

As far as using tren for a bulker... Tren is great for bulking or cutting. Eat a lot and you will put on mass.

 

[Yebro]

Okay, even though this should be in its own thread it is related sooooo....

I would run the tren a little longer, like weeks 5-12 ( assuming its a 12 week test cycle). Dropping your test down to 350mg per week is a good idea imo but remeber you have test E, if you can I would buy some test P and save the E for a deca/eq cycle or whatever. I would not worry about that so much but its still a fact. I would run the tren @ 400mg a week during its period.

As far as using tren for a bulker... Tren is great for bulking or cutting. Eat a lot and you will put on mass.

I figured I'd just post in here rather than create another thread thank you for the input! Yes its a 12 weeker

thanks again

 

[hotsaucedaman]

Tren and Hcg yes or no and why ? about to start my tren ive read to stack it with hcg jus wondering

 

[amvdub]

Tren and Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) yes or no and why ? about to start my tren ive read to stack it with Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) jus wondering

I'd also like to hear some on the subject. Running tren a, test e, EQ, Proviron, ghrb6, and hcg. would like some dosing opinions. Have no issues, just wandering also.

 

[Hrnyfckr]

Ok.... I started my cycle with 600test/ 400 Tren E. I never ran Tren before.... I wanted to see what the sides would be like. Not too bad, it turns out....night sweats, heavy lungs, a touch of prolactin gyno (handled easily with Prami). So, following the current trend, I reversed the ratio.... Now 400test/ 600/ Tren E. After two weeks at the new ratio, here's my assessment. I like Tren higher... It's a simply amazing compound. My body transformed seemingly overnight. The sides are not significantly different... Less water retention, as you might have guessed. But something was missing... I was too nice... I am definitely missing the aggressive "attitude" that makes a good cycle so fun. So, I'm gonna up the test.... I want my mojo back! I'm keeping Tren high but gonna make test higher... I've added Igf-1 lr3 which is cutting me up and pushing my gains. A high test at 750 might just push me into significant growth.

 

[Emmerz24]

I agree keep the test at testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) dose just to feel normal and rely on the tren to do the work. Makes sense to me