Trying to drop fat and buk simultaneously?

[gunther1986]

Low carb isn't the best for bulking... you should pick one and stick with it. You wont accomplish both on your own. I would advise looking into 3J.

^ x2

 

[bigben66]

I'll definitely share my experience either way though!

Please do buddy!

 

[PrinceDianabol]

Doable? Yes. Painfully slow and damn expensive? Absolutely.

I personally am debating on trying to bulk while in ketosis (20g of carbs per day) as I'm a diabetic, and keto makes it so much easier to manage blood sugar. As I'll require around 6500 kcals per day to bulk, I'm a bit apprehensive as that's an ass-ton of calories to consume without a cheap source that are carbohydrates.

Half, are you not worried about excessive fat gain attempting this? At 6500cal per day with carb intake limited to 20g that must include an assload of fats in a surplus. Will you be on a blast doing this?

 

[halfwit]

Half, are you not worried about excessive fat gain attempting this? At 6500cal per day with carb intake limited to 20g that must include an assload of fats in a surplus. Will you be on a blast doing this?

Yes my macros would be something like 35% pro/5% carb/60% fat, much like the typical ketogenic diet. As my body only uses fat while in ketosis for fuel, I would be surprised if I gained a ton of fat as I hope to have the majority of the calories going to building new tissues. Of course I'll probably gain a little fat as I don't think I have the ability to fine tune a bulk to that extent. Granted, I will be on a blast as well, which should help out a smidgen.

We'll see though, I have a feeling that just from the financial standpoint I may have to go back to a traditional carb-heavy bulk as carbs are such a cheap source on calories. That and... CHEESECAKE! LOL.

 

[PrinceDianabol]

Yes my macros would be something like 35% pro/5% carb/60% fat, much like the typical ketogenic diet. As my body only uses fat while in ketosis for fuel, I would be surprised if I gained a ton of fat as I hope to have the majority of the calories going to building new tissues. Of course I'll probably gain a little fat as I don't think I have the ability to fine tune a bulk to that extent. Granted, I will be on a blast as well, which should help out a smidgen.

We'll see though, I have a feeling that just from the financial standpoint I may have to go back to a traditional carb-heavy bulk as carbs are such a cheap source on calories. That and... CHEESECAKE! LOL.

Hmm interesting. If you end up doing this should throw up a log Would be a great learning experience for us all no doubt.

You could scull a litre of olive oil daily Or a couple jars of PB haha LOVE that stuff! Only thing that keeps me from breaking keto when I run it.

 

[JimiThing]

I am doing a lean bulk (starting today in fact!) and I will be running a carb cycle type diet with a workout I structured to go alongside it. I think it is the way to go for a recomp as well especially if you are more advanced. The longer you do this the harder a recomp is to pull off IMO an carb cycle is def the most effective way to do so especially if you arent new at this.
(my diet/training split - http://www.steroidology.com/forum/a...ng-s-psl-thing-lean-bulk-log.html#post3617302 )

 

[halfwit]

Hmm interesting. If you end up doing this should throw up a log Would be a great learning experience for us all no doubt.

You could scull a litre of olive oil daily Or a couple jars of PB haha LOVE that stuff! Only thing that keeps me from breaking keto when I run it.

Hahaha, I do actually have a bunch of coconut oil and olive oil. I haven't found any low carb peanut butter yet, but plan on hitting the Whole Foods nearby and seeing if I can't make some - or at least pecan butter.

Yeah, I'll probably throw something up once I get it ironed out.

 

[Mrrippedzilla]

Hahaha, I do actually have a bunch of coconut oil and olive oil. I haven't found any low carb peanut butter yet, but plan on hitting the Whole Foods nearby and seeing if I can't make some - or at least pecan butter.

Yeah, I'll probably throw something up once I get it ironed out.

Half, are you going to attempt this low-carb bulk while cycling or simply TRT?
Also, your a naturally big dude right? Naturally meaning you weren't a skinny guy before dieting, cycling etc.

 

[halfwit]

Half, are you going to attempt this low-carb bulk while cycling or simply TRT?
Also, your a naturally big dude right? Naturally meaning you weren't a skinny guy before dieting, cycling etc.

I'm going to be blasting, yes. I think I'm going to try it for a few weeks while still in ketosis, but if that doesn't pan out - I'll go back to a high carbohydrate macro diet.

Correct, I haven't been an ectomorph since I was prepubescent. I was a mesomorph until my nuts died, and am now almost done killing that endomorph that took over lol. Mass comes pretty easily, but with diabetes also came the ability to get fat just as easily.

(I hate using body type nomenclature, but figured it was easiest to explain in that manner)

 

[cybrsage]

I had a diabetes scare just recently - my fasting blood sugar level kept rising each month, went from 80 to 110 in 3 months time! I asked my dad about the family history of diabetes and he told me that EVERY member of my family got diabetes in their upper 30s to lower 40s except him. Being 45 and having been almost faithfully following a 3J diet for months, this frightened me greatly! I did research into my supplements and I found out it was from taking glucosamine-something to help my joints. I stopped taking it and BAM, a scant 3 days later I was at a fasting level of 99. I am taking another test tomorrow, having been off it for a few weeks, and hope to see it even lower.

I am apparently very sensitive to such things, which is not a surprise now that I know my family history!

 

[halfwit]

I had a diabetes scare just recently - my fasting blood sugar level kept rising each month, went from 80 to 110 in 3 months time! I asked my dad about the family history of diabetes and he told me that EVERY member of my family got diabetes in their upper 30s to lower 40s except him. Being 45 and having been almost faithfully following a 3J diet for months, this frightened me greatly! I did research into my supplements and I found out it was from taking glucosamine-something to help my joints. I stopped taking it and BAM, a scant 3 days later I was at a fasting level of 99. I am taking another test tomorrow, having been off it for a few weeks, and hope to see it even lower.

I am apparently very sensitive to such things, which is not a surprise now that I know my family history!

You should buy a glucose meter and keep track of both your fasting and post-prandial (2 hours after eating) sugars for awhile just to be sure. Simply eating less carbohydrates the day prior to a test can drop your glucose significantly. Interesting on the glucosamine-chondroitin though - I'll have to read up on that as I do take it.

 

[cybrsage]

You should buy a glucose meter and keep track of both your fasting and post-prandial (2 hours after eating) sugars for awhile just to be sure. Simply eating less carbohydrates the day prior to a test can drop your glucose significantly. Interesting on the glucosamine-chondroitin though - I'll have to read up on that as I do take it.

Thanks, I will do that.

A few diabetes sites said there is no worry about taking glucosamine for any diabetic who properly monitors and controls their blood sugar. To me, that is a meaningless sentence, a Snickers Bar can be eaten by a diabetic who properly monitors and controls their blood sugar...since the spike caused by it would be noticed during monitoring and controlled by whatever method the person uses to control their blood sugar. But, reading between the lines, it says you will see an increase in blood sugar so you have to control it. At least that is what I got out of it.