Trying to get wife pregnant

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makaveli25

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Been a gear user since I was 22. I'm currently 33 years old. My wife stopped Birth control a few months ago. I'm running my own TRT fertlity protocol. If this doesn't work in a few months I will get bloods. Any suggestions or tips please it is very welcome.

Hcg 250iu-500iu
Clomid 25 mg
Proviorion 25mg

Sustanon 200mg Ew
Vit c 2grams
MSM 2-3 grams
Tribulus 2-5 grams
Vit e 400iu
Zinc 50mg
Folic acid
Fish oil 2-3 grams

Testicles are plumping up nice. Libido is okay. Recovery between workouts is amazing. I actually feel better then I have in a long time.
 
That doesn't seem like a fertility protocol. First things first you need blood levels to make sure you are in proper ranges.

You are on a sustanon TRT (1 weekly injection?) Basically.

Clomid (why?) "Clomid, as does*Nolvadex, works by occupying the binding sites of estrogen receptors of cells, without activating the receptors. This reduces the extent to which estradiol can activate these receptors. In the case of the hypothalamus, this leads to the hypothalamus ***8220;concluding***8221; that estrogen levels are low."

Youre hiding your real estrogen levels from your body

And Proviron? Why?

You are suppressing your natural hormones with the sustanon, masking real estrogen levels with Clomid and using Proviron. Then hCG. No AI.

All I see working for your balls and fertility is the hCG.
 
Also searching the specific birth control and when her fertility returns would help.
 
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Sustanon is split into 3 shots Mwf. This is a similar protocol Dave Paulmbo outlined minus hmg. Proviorion mainly for water retention libido. I don't know how every thing works but I've seen similar protocols.
 
driving like a blind man right now with this protocoal. you NEED blood test to see where your levels are so you acn drive this better.
 
You mention 200 mg/wk sust. Have you been blasting and c r u i s i n g these last 11 years? Are you planning to stay on test and get your sperm count up?
 
tankmanbob said:
You mention 200 mg/wk sust. Have you been blasting and c r u i s i n g these last 11 years? Are you planning to stay on test and get your sperm count up?
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Yes I've been blasting and c***sing not the whole time but the last few years. I just need the sperm count up once wife is pregnant I'll prob stay on low dose of test and masteron.
 
Standard TRT (test,hCG,AI) with the least amount of drug possible is the best thing for sperm. I have no idea if Proviron has been studied for effects on sperm. I also don't know if something like Clomid would increase sperm due to increased LH and such or it leads to increased volume and sperm production but the increased sperm are weaker due to Clomid binding to other sites.

Added: "Clomid for Men: When and How It's Used for Male FertilityWhat to Expect: Treatment, Side Effects, and Success Rates" is a referenced article saying clomid helps fertility and sperm production / increased testoserone. It's used for PCT so getting the boys pumping is obviously happening but it doesn't hurt fertility according this.

I was never a deep farmer or anything but the bull gets the best. Least stress, best feed and the best health. Any reproduction I have read about from chickens to reptiles and onto plants and even fungus. If you are breeding it you keep stuff away. Not only for healthy reproduction but to see what you are actually dealing with. That is disregarding breeding for greed and sales. We want healthy kids. It's not puppymill breeding or something.

Have you got your sperm counted and checked out?
 
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We really need the real docs to weigh in here.

You need FSH to get your balls to produce sperm, and depending on if they are atrophied or not may need a big round of HCG to plump them up and get them working again before hand.

While c r u i s i n g you won't be making any LH or FSH, so seems to me your only choices are to come off the test and try to PCT, or if you stay on then look for something to jam FSH while you are supraphysiological on test - something like clomid & nolva.
 
An understatement to mention labs.

Time to trust the Real M.D. 's . Really OP good for discussion but just wanna put IMOP push the lab work , meeting with an M.D. . Ya know a practicing physician. M.D. Some doctors are good, like my father heee heee he was an M.D. :dance2:

Let us know with updates.






PS: if ya need my help ...hmm I'm right here :nerd:
 
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My thoughts are this: keep TRT dose at whatever you need. A little less really isn't going to help. Shutdown is shutdown. Clomid and proviron won't help but probably won't hurt.

Hcg works for most of us. It also takes like 3 months to grow sperm so don't think you can blast it for a couple of weeks and be done.

Hmg is more better but costs money. Use it if you can but it still takes time. Hmg is an fsh analog which means it stimulates sperm rather than test (HCG is an lh analog which stimulates test). There is some overlap though.

I was completely shut down for a couple of years and 500 x2/week of HCG for a while got me barely back into the normal range. Got it done but that story didn't have a happy ending. Hmg was my backup plan but I didn't end up needing it. The fertility doc was pissed I didn't have to come off test like they had said I would. One of the dumbest doctors I've ever had to deal with. My endo was rolling his eyes through the whole ordeal.
 
STUDY- a series of hypogonadal men wishing to preserve fertility while initiating TRT with different agents (transdermal gels and injections) demonstrated that low-dose hCG (500 IU every other day) preserves all aspects of analyzed semen parameters despite improvement in serum testosterone levels, and with no differences observed between different types of TRT agent used. A more recent multi-institutional series of men previously treated with TRT and established to be azoospermic or severely oligospermic (<1 × 106 ml-1) were given hCG 3000 IU every other day supplemented with either FSH, clomiphene citrate (CC), tamoxifen, or anastrozole. This series demonstrated a mean recovery of spermatogenesis to a density of 22 × 106 ml-1 in 4 months

I have personally seen conception at 1500iu bi-weekly of hcg and clomid at 25mg/day for at least 60 days. Just had a patient find out they were pregnant last week. Evidence based

Dr B
 
Thanks for the congrats.
Hcg 250iu-500iu
Clomid 12.5 mg eod
Proviorion 25-50mg ed
Sustanon 200mg ew

I used all the supplements listed in the original post.

I juiced hard since 21-22 I'm 33 I barely took a break. I'm really fortunate. I didn't get help from a doctor either I did this protocol myself. I listened to my body. Wife stopped birth control 5-6 months ago.
 
Mycelium said:
That doesn't seem like a fertility protocol. First things first you need blood levels to make sure you are in proper ranges.

You are on a sustanon TRT (1 weekly injection?) Basically.

Clomid (why?) "Clomid, as does*Nolvadex, works by occupying the binding sites of estrogen receptors of cells, without activating the receptors. This reduces the extent to which estradiol can activate these receptors. In the case of the hypothalamus, this leads to the hypothalamus ***8220;concluding***8221; that estrogen levels are low."

Youre hiding your real estrogen levels from your body

And Proviron? Why?

You are suppressing your natural hormones with the sustanon, masking real estrogen levels with Clomid and using Proviron. Then hCG. No AI.

All I see working for your balls and fertility is the hCG.
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hi sorry to higack your post . i'm 22 with second hypo my doc prescribed 250 E every 2 weeks
after a lot of researche i decided on 200E a week split into 2 doses . and add adex 1 mg a week split into 2 doses
she said that if i want kids i can stop and add HCG and it won't be a problem my question is can Ai equal HCG ?
and i'm going to use propniate 300 mg a week for 8 weeks while using test E 250 a week . to give time for test E to work , and lose some fat and gain some muscle i'm 5.8 and 220lbs , and skinny fat . hope to get your input
 
Mycelium said:
That doesn't seem like a fertility protocol. First things first you need blood levels to make sure you are in proper ranges.

You are on a sustanon TRT (1 weekly injection?) Basically.

Clomid (why?) "Clomid, as does*Nolvadex, works by occupying the binding sites of estrogen receptors of cells, without activating the receptors. This reduces the extent to which estradiol can activate these receptors. In the case of the hypothalamus, this leads to the hypothalamus ***8220;concluding***8221; that estrogen levels are low."

Youre hiding your real estrogen levels from your body

And Proviron? Why?

You are suppressing your natural hormones with the sustanon, masking real estrogen levels with Clomid and using Proviron. Then hCG. No AI.

All I see working for your balls and fertility is the hCG.
Click to expand...

hi sorry to higack your post . i'm 22 with second hypo my doc prescribed 250 E every 2 weeks
after a lot of researche i decided on 200E a week split into 2 doses . and add adex 1 mg a week split into 2 doses
she said that if i want kids i can stop and add HCG and it won't be a problem my question is can Ai equal HCG ?
and i'm going to use propniate 300 mg a week for 8 weeks while using test E 250 a week . to give time for test E to work , and lose some fat and gain some muscle i'm 5.8 and 220lbs , and skinny fat . hope to get your input
 
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