Two parts when to do next cycle and how do I avoid this, what happened??

[stevemorse0]

I am really liking myself right now alot!! I have been hitting the cardio longer, diet is so clean, and hitting hard and heavy. The part I like is I have dropped weight and all my muscle and leaness are really showing now. So I believe naturallly I reallyl am happy at this point. Now I can keep adding muscle and doing this with nothing and I suprisingly the last few days have been thinking throw the damn steriods out. This is a big one for me because I was always MORE IS BETTER! However I think I can do this without drugs. So here is my first question when do you decide if you want to do it again? What made you want to? And the biggest and most important will you turn into something you dont want to if you keep going with lets say Winstrol (winny) or anavar.

Now this topic is brought up because years ago there was a beautiful lady that was on a fitness group and she was smoking. I just saw a recent picture of her and holy moly she looks terrible. What happens to the face!! I mean I get the body and to me the body looks good alot of time with women but the face. Ohh it could big a person to tears!! I mean she was so perfect or getting there and I knew and read her blog her name was Sally Taylor and at this point she was on Winstrol (winny) and avavar she said. The picture I saw looked nothing like the old one. I mean this was a guy. What heck , dont they see this?? Will this happen to me? How does this happen? I dont get this? This girl was nice at one time. I guess the Winstrol (winny) and anavar go out the window and come the big guns to turn into this? Tell me are they happy???? Do they see themselves? I am somewhat confused.

Look I dont mean to be so judgemental especially to someone who I only saw a few pictures and did not see in person however this girl a few years ago did not look like this. It was a bit of an eye opener! It make me question do I need to do anymore? I am happy now, so just so be it? This could not be from anavar or winny???? If it is , Im throwing these out, and thanking God this did not happen to me!

 

[mormuscle]

women taking male hormones no matter how mild over time will make a woman take on male characteristics, hard jaw line, bad skin etc.... i dont know who you are speaking of and im sure shes either happy with how she looks or extremely regretful. Who knows what she was taking.....and how much. Winstrol (winny) is very strong.

Some women i know that use stuff know the risks and how they will change but have a bigger goal to be big or competitive and dont care what it does. So everyone is different. My advise is if your doing well with clean diet, great workouts and cardio keep going with that. i know alot of figure girls that are pro and dont use anything. Just alot of work and dedication.

if you do decide to use AAS go very slow, take something very mild and be aware of your body and every change. Good and bad. Dont stack and dont let people tell you anavar and Winstrol (winny) stack is mild because its not.

Good luck, post some pics so we can see your progress.

 

[Miss Muscle]

Hahaha. First off I know exactly who Sally Taylor is and she does look absolutely ghastly. She has fooled herself into thinking she looks pretty and feminine. She also gives out horrid AAS advice so please steer clear of her. She also likes to stir up trouble so she will never be welcome on this board.

One of the reasons many of these ladies think they look fine is because people tell them they do. Other females who abuse AAS, male muscle worshippers, etc.

It is always good to get a variety of opinions....even people who don't like "muscles" on women. They can be quite objective regardless if you ask them to.

Also take lots of pictures of yourself and compare. Facial, body structure, etc.

Mormuscle also makes a good point....no matter how long the dosage or how few side effects, if you continue to use AAS over time even at low doses, there will be changes. This is why pics for every single cycle is good.

Can this be done naturally???? YES. It takes longer without AAS use but it can be done and that is something many ladies don't realize. If you google some pics of Ms Natural Olympia and some top natural competitors, you will see they look absolutely fantastic and have alot of muscle. Not as much as AAS users BUT they also look feminine and gorgeous. It took them time but it was absolutely worth it for them.

Knowing a bit about you Steve....you have done things properly so far so I think you are still safe to do some more cycling without any worrisome changes. Just take lots of pics and get some honest opinions.

 

[Blondie_Bombshell]

I am choosing to be off of AAS for a long time now. I got a good amount of muscle through a few cycles and Im happy with it. I know exactly what you mean Steve. I started to get caught up in getting more muscle and forgot about how I WANT my body to be. Which is probably how a lot of those female bodybuilders got to that point. It becomes an obsession to get bigger and leaner at whatever costs. If they are happy with the way they look then fine, but Im happy with having hips and ass and a cute face. And even if you dont find them attractive, you have to appreciate all the work they put into their bodies and what they have sacrificed to get there.

When do you decide to stop AAS? When you want, its your body. I have never had any bad sides or anything drastic to make me want to stop. I just know how I want to look at this point and I can do it without AAS.

Good Luck.

 

[stevemorse0]

Three really great posts, thanks all of you. Well I am just cruising along right now natural. I may just do one more and thats about it. I am honestly pretty amazing how different I look just about three months off this long cycle. It seems I forgot what I really looked like because I did Winstrol (winny) for so long. My first cycle and too be honest when I look back at my log it was about 6 months on. Now that I am really cleaning out, the weight is just falling off leaving such a nice pile of muscle and all that hard work is really showing. And I feel good. I forgot how good it feels to wake up and not feel so glowing androgonic.

I plan one more normal cycle and thats it. This really was a big learning experience and alot of positives came out of it. I never would have made the gains I did if I went the natural route. However now that my strenght is so much more I could go at it natural. Funny the first so far seems pretty damn good.

Now this Sally the only reason why I singled her out is she was very active on a board several years ago. She actually looked good at one time. It was a shock. The whole face changed. You know I hate that I call it horse face look. I can handle the bodies but not the face. This I think is the worst side effect. Sad!! I mean what do you do from age 60 - 80 years old. I am sure at that age you wont be liking that mug.

Really an eye opener. If you dont see someone for a long time it really looks worse. There was another girl who looked real nice at one time and just saw another picture and she is starting the abuse too... Amanda Swallow. This girl looked real nice , and she is blowing it too. Starting to look pretty manly and ugly. If she keeps going god only knows.

I am going to check out Ms Natural Olympia. Thanks for all the great comments and reads. I have to get a digital camera or someone to post a picture but I am going to do it soon. I am not hiding a horse face!!!

 

[stevemorse0]

Please read Miss Muscle espeically, I did not want to start a new thread but I want to make one more comment that I have noticed since I began all this weightlifting.

Us bodybuilders/weightlifters are learners. We like to read and learn. I read alot of people's blogs and sites on BB. I have never met a more bunch of vain people. I am tired of reading how great they are, how inspiring they are and them them them them them. Please there is more to life than muscles and you you you. The best bodybuilders are balanced physically and mentally and can give back to others. Like Miss. Muscle and some of the people here. So of these blog and sites ohh just the same how great they are over and over. How boring!!! I mean how in debt can we really get over your cardio sessions. I read Pauline Nordins blog and lately its just how great she is and how her little drowns say how inspiring she is. I wish more people were like you Miss Muscle not selling us a product or needing a bunch of people to tell you how great you are. You give back and that means so much more than anything.

 

[Blondie_Bombshell]

I think its easy to become vain and self- obsessed when basically your whole life is dependent on your body and how good it looks. Professional bodybuilders eat, sleep, drink, and train to keep their bodies in perfect condition, its their livelihood.

Steve, dont be scared to start a new thread!

 

[Miss Muscle]

I think its easy to become vain and self- obsessed when basically your whole life is dependent on your body and how good it looks. Professional bodybuilders eat, sleep, drink, and train to keep their bodies in perfect condition, its their livelihood.

Steve, dont be scared to start a new thread!

Agreed. It is very easy and many people do it.

Steve....and everybody....start as many threads as you want!

 

[Uruk Hai]

Narcissism will be the ultimate demise of the American way of life.

You are not a special little flower...
I am not a special little flower...

 

[alphagirl]

You think to much.

 

[stevemorse0]

Yes I do think too much. Just jump in, and live life right??? Smoke the pipe! IM KIDDING!!! No I am a thinker. Now I got to go think how I can fit all my macro nutritients in for today! Exciting right? Im joking.

Do you think this raw cacao powder is why I am feeling so damn good??

 

[Miss Muscle]

This is Sally Taylor now. This pic has been circulating the bodybuiding boards for a while now with horrid comments.

I feel so bad for her. But she did it to herself.

 

[stevemorse0]

Ok this is a shock. Just flat out terrible. The face is so terrible, and it is sad. The whole face is totally different in not a long time. Maybe 3 / 4 years!!

Now for the most serious question, this is not just from 2 / 3 cycles of crappy UG low dosed oral Winstrol (winny)? If it is Im definately scared!!! No I know it is not. This is just flat out worse than the crystal meth mug shots over 4 years time!!!!!

A time line of her mug shots would be very scarey!!! The roids by far wrecked her more than the meth heads!!! THis is an EYE OPENER!!!

Now for the most interesting question??? Do you think she is happy with her looks? How about the boyfriend/husband she had a lover I remember? My husband would definately throw me right out of bed.

 

[StoneColdNTO]

Nobody could be happy looking like that. It's disgusting. She is the poster child for steroid abuse.

 

[Blondie_Bombshell]

Yikes, thats why I quit doing gear for awhile.

 

[Miss Muscle]

Yikes, thats why I quit doing gear for awhile.

I can't imagine the amounts of gear that would have to be done to look like that. I think you were probably very far away from that.......very very far.