UNDERDOSED TRT clinic Cypionate?!

[Billegitimate]

Oh snap. I've got 3 vials of the stuff from Florida with an H. I'm pretty sure I know who he's talking about. Haven't used it yet...Is it possible to PM me with a lot number off the vial? At least I could compare and if I have the same lot # I'll get bloodwork within 3 weeks and say what's up.

 

[Megatron28]

So go back to your clinic and tell them you need a replacement sent as you got a defective vial.

 

[2kdime]

Unable to PM

Lot# TC20Z162

 

[2kdime]

I've sent that clinic an email asking about my levels

I posted about that earlier

No reply back from them

 

[Alpin]

Many Endos wont treat (or test) for elevated estradiol...

 

[Jimstigator]

I liked your points, but this one is incorrect. If estradiol is converted from testosterone, and you reduce the amount of conversion - there is more testosterone in the system.

I get what you were trying to say, but felt it necessary to clarify the point. You are right though; his AI use wouldn't lower it, and can be taken out of the equation.

I don't believe the conversion is great enough to warrant a correlation but who knows. In my readings - use of an AI on people with TRT will lower estrogen obviously, but increases T very little. Of course, the opposite is true with someone 100% natural, where the lower levels of estrogen essentially keep the pituitary cranking out LH.

-Jim

 

[halfwit]

I don't believe the conversion is great enough to warrant a correlation but who knows. In my readings - use of an AI on people with TRT will lower estrogen obviously, but increases T very little. Of course, the opposite is true with someone 100% natural, where the lower levels of estrogen essentially keep the pituitary cranking out LH.

-Jim

It's far more important and noticeable if one aromatizes a great deal; be it because of body fat/genetics/testosterone doses. For example: If you take an AI because without it you sit at 49pg/ml, you're not saving a huge amount of testosterone. However, if you need an AI because you sit at 400pg/mL, the resulting increase in total testosterone is far more noticeable. This is something folks that cycle tend to notice if they had not been running an AI.

Unfortunately the human body doesn't function on a linear scale, or we would be able to accurately predict just how much test is lost to conversion by modeling.

I like many of your posts Jim, and my small correction was not intended as a show of disrespect by any means.

 

[Jimstigator]

You know - that makes sense. I suppose I made the statement using only my own body type/BF levels, which are 10-14% depending on the day. I guess a TON of T could be lost if BF was much higher and most of it was just converted to E.

I like many of your posts Jim, and my small correction was not intended as a show of disrespect by any means.

None taken! I love this stuff and just want to learn. Any and all conversation is great and welcome. Aside from a few great Drs like Crisler, Mariano, etc... all of the best information stems from this and other forums.

-Jim

 

[3J]

i recently had a similar issue with my hcg.. got hcg from a different pharmacy than my usual one and it just didn't seem as effective..

 

[2kdime]

I don't notice any real effects from the HCG either, but I know everyone responds differently.

No size increase or sense of well being

Dosed at 500iu 3 times a week

 

[3J]

I don't notice any real effects from the HCG either, but I know everyone responds differently.

No size increase or sense of well being

Dosed at 500iu 3 times a week

holy crap.. is that the prescribed dosage???

 

[2kdime]

Yes it is

200mg a week
500iu 3 times a week
.5mg arimidex twice a week

 

[3J]

you shouldn't come close to needing that much hcg.. 500iu a week max.. alot of guys run 250iu a week

 

[2kdime]

I'll try that dosage with the new stuff from my doctor.

Hell I even tried 2 shots of 750iu each the 2 days before the shot and nothing....

Maybe it's no good either

 

[juced_porkchop]

Many Endos wont treat (or test) for elevated estradiol...

They are jack ass's....

 

[juced_porkchop]

you shouldn't come close to needing that much hcg.. 500iu a week max.. alot of guys run 250iu a week

agreed. i mean i rec 500iu 2x a week, but thats for only 1-2months as part of a cycle to help PCT. but for HRT and long term use... too much IMO

 

[Jimstigator]

I'll try that dosage with the new stuff from my doctor.

Hell I even tried 2 shots of 750iu each the 2 days before the shot and nothing....

Maybe it's no good either

My balls grow with like 50iu a week!

-Jim

 

[mightysatchmo]

Great thread. Been on TRT for about 9 months now and loving it. Did couple different tests on reorders to see which was best. Did Cyp, Cyp / prop blend and finally enanthate which is where I am staying. Definitely feel good and some good results....just want more and more now..lol. Yeah that hcg seems way high

 

[2kdime]

So one would have noticed something on that dosage at least right?

And when you don't?

Non responder? Bunk stuff?

For what it's worth, I'm Secondary Hypo, so if I were taking something to mimick LH, they should plump back up.

 

[mightysatchmo]

im on 210 mg a week and noticed. all depends on you as well, how much muscle you currently have etc. TRT is not gonna make you huge by any means. I get my through reputable clinic and its good stuff.