Live life with no regrets. I'll die happy knowing I experienced everything I wanted to and hustled the hell out of Mother Nature, trying to make a dollar out of 15 cents. I agree, my ribeye is well worth the check at the end of the meal and I've come to terms with mortality, I plan on doing what I enjoy seeing as I only live once and that means lifting heavy shit lol
University of Texas study suggests cardiac/stroke risk from testosterone use
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Live life with no regrets. I'll die happy knowing I experienced everything I wanted to and hustled the hell out of Mother Nature, trying to make a dollar out of 15 cents. I agree, my ribeye is well worth the check at the end of the meal and I've come to terms with mortality, I plan on doing what I enjoy seeing as I only live once and that means lifting heavy shit lol
Halfwit....you have to be right...you are never wrong...I said so earlier in another post before you gave me the bad ass poster with Chris Hansen! Some people hate to think that this finite life we live in gets shorter if they do certain things. It is like the stages of death with roids....denial is stage one. It may not be so...but I figured pointing it out could be unpopular.
halfwit
I like turtles.
Maybe only to those still in denial my brother. I accept my impending death and know I'm going to ride the hell out of the life I have left to its fullest. Besides, life is better when you can pick up and put down heavy things.
You may not want to hear it because it is a long run, but it is pretty much 250mg of test-e, 250mg of EQ every 5 days for 36 weeks before the climb. Two months out, start the winstrol 50mgs per day. I am pretty sure you will have yogurt and not blood at this point. Take an aspirin per day.
Acclimatization and the climb can take two months. You can either figure out how to "get your gear there" or talk to the high altitude physician about prescribed carry. Either way, you need at least test. I only took test while on the mountain. Double your dosage and increase the time between injects to 10 days. Then stand at the top of the world....and be the man.
It may not be the best, but it got me there.
Teutonic
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Joliver.
I d rep you 10 times but they frown on that..
You really took the words out of my mouth.
AAS have allowed me to still stay in relatively good shape at 50 and 200 pounds. Despite 2 gunshot s, 1 stabbing, a rod in my back, no right eye left, a finger half bit off and a cadavor acl, a pinned left delt, half a prostate removed in June... oh and a bulging disc at c4 and 5, I can still train faithfully. AAS makes this possible. No fkn doubt about it.
I m strong enough yet still able to excel in my shooting, cqc and ccp...I make my living deterring bad people with thought s of dealing with me, my dog, my asp, my 9, my 223....in a uncool way.
However under all the body armour and extra SHIT, is my combat chasis. My body. Muscles are my last line of defense .My airbags. It has always paid the bills.
I d rep you 10 times but they frown on that..
You really took the words out of my mouth.
AAS have allowed me to still stay in relatively good shape at 50 and 200 pounds. Despite 2 gunshot s, 1 stabbing, a rod in my back, no right eye left, a finger half bit off and a cadavor acl, a pinned left delt, half a prostate removed in June... oh and a bulging disc at c4 and 5, I can still train faithfully. AAS makes this possible. No fkn doubt about it.
I m strong enough yet still able to excel in my shooting, cqc and ccp...I make my living deterring bad people with thought s of dealing with me, my dog, my asp, my 9, my 223....in a uncool way.
However under all the body armour and extra SHIT, is my combat chasis. My body. Muscles are my last line of defense .My airbags. It has always paid the bills.
Keep fighting the fight. That is SPARTAN.
You know, every once in a while, I hear a story about a physical trauma, wreck, or some violent mishap and the physician tells the family: "if he hadn't been in such good shape, he wouldn't have survived." I know they are saying--if he hadn't been jacked with enhanced muscles, bones, tendons, blood volume and profiles, he would be dead. Basically--had the poor bastard been average, he wouldn't be alive. I occasionally tip my hat to the sauce. Maybe its just me....
May your last line of defense always be your best and most reliable.
Godspeed, sir.
Alpin
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You absolutely hit the nail on the head bro. Like I said in my other posts.
Doc's took a look at me in Europe when I went for a test script and they basically said: "Walk, there is no way you need T"...
They tend to judge a book by it's cover.
juced_porkchop
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Yes i believe so, its just a risk we shouldn't take...
halfwit
I like turtles.
Wait, is that REALLY the reason why the chicken crossed the road?
To fetch my vial of AAS???
Mind = blown.
juced_porkchop
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hahahahahaha!
juced_porkchop
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yeah NOT hating on YOU, its the study.OP here. No worries. But I was remembering, while reading your response, that anger management issues, according to another U of T study, was shown to make a man's testicles bigger but scrotum smaller
Who can say what the difference was between the two study groups. Perhaps the guys on T were having more sex and just generally more fun that they guys who didn't. Not to temp fate, but I would prefer to be in that group and went out with a smile, rather than the poor saps who sat at home and rusted into oblivion.
Thanks for posting!
juced_porkchop
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I dont agree with you, there are MANY factors related to this, I do not agree its only testosterone (if at all) if anything it declines as we age and not long ago there WAS NO Hormone Replacement Therapy (HRT), so the same argument could be that due to low test is why men die early... Sorry but i do not agree with you on that point.
I think your counterpoint is valid. My point isn't about the evidence, it is about what I am willing to sacrifice in the event that the ambiguous and contradictory evidence does fall on the wrong side of the fence. I am ok with those consequences if I can outperform my genetic potential.
Alpin
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All those guys were 60 + in that study and had previous heart attacks, strokes before going on TRT...
They were diabetic as well the study says...
They were probably hypogonadal for years cause their physicians never tested it...so who's to say the Low T all those years is not a culprit behind this recent revelation ?
They were diabetic as well the study says...
They were probably hypogonadal for years cause their physicians never tested it...so who's to say the Low T all those years is not a culprit behind this recent revelation ?
Hopefully I'm not doing another repeart, but I found a counter to the U of T study. It basically states what we already knew.
Testosterone-Bashing Study Is Misleading: Expert
Testosterone-Bashing Study Is Misleading: Expert
PHD Researcher Thoughts
I am a PHD candidate, although not in a medicinal field we apply the same quantitative methods in this study. I would like to first express my appreciation for all the post, and secondly to the poster that I quoted who gave a rebuttal.
The original post is a TERRIBLE WAY to present research. Now I am sure it is not the researchers that framed the conversation but probably some headline grabbing journalist. When you look at the sample size you are looking only at a 6% difference. Those who had TRT died at a 26% clip those who didn't did at a 20% clip.
One has to wonder if there is some endogenous factors going on. For example, if the individuals who did TRT did it because they felt worse than those who did not and thought that TRT would help may have been at higher risk in the first place.
There is no way to adequately compare those who had a prior heart attack or heart risk with those who have not when looking at data on TRT. You simply can't there are to many exogenous factors. Now if the same study did it with men like myself with no prior history of major illness, simply low T and the data showed the same thing I would think about it.
But like some of the guys on this thread stated, is having a 6% higher chance of dying a little earlier worth feeling better the years that you live?????
I am a PHD candidate, although not in a medicinal field we apply the same quantitative methods in this study. I would like to first express my appreciation for all the post, and secondly to the poster that I quoted who gave a rebuttal.
The original post is a TERRIBLE WAY to present research. Now I am sure it is not the researchers that framed the conversation but probably some headline grabbing journalist. When you look at the sample size you are looking only at a 6% difference. Those who had TRT died at a 26% clip those who didn't did at a 20% clip.
One has to wonder if there is some endogenous factors going on. For example, if the individuals who did TRT did it because they felt worse than those who did not and thought that TRT would help may have been at higher risk in the first place.
There is no way to adequately compare those who had a prior heart attack or heart risk with those who have not when looking at data on TRT. You simply can't there are to many exogenous factors. Now if the same study did it with men like myself with no prior history of major illness, simply low T and the data showed the same thing I would think about it.
But like some of the guys on this thread stated, is having a 6% higher chance of dying a little earlier worth feeling better the years that you live?????
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