using insulin by iteslf for muscle gains

[arnyswole33]

the dosages in that thread are outrageous? I mean its a pretty impressive thread but what if someone is super insulin sensitive? that many ius would make them go hypo no doubt. also you said protein intake needs to be high which is pretty much already a given with insulin but how high are you recommending specifically?

 

[Mrrippedzilla]

I agree with the doses being outrageous but I cant argue with scientific evidence man, especially a systematic review - it is what it is.
Here is the main study showing that you need to induce extreme hyperinsulinemia to get any sort of anabolic effect:

Extreme hyperinsulinemia unmasks insulin's effect to stimulate protein synthesis in the human forearm. - PubMed - NCBI

For a compound to be considered anabolic it HAS to improve protein synthesis levels.
The fact is that there is NO evidence whatsoever that insulin levels below 50,000 pmol/l does this and to get these sort of levels you need high, high doses. The 2-10iu type of levels you see most guys use is going to do nothing on an insulin only cycle - combined with GH and AAS is another story completely.

I have no specific protein recommendations because it seems to vary from person to person but 1.25g - 2.5g/lbm is the range I've played around with.

Again IME insulin isn't anabolic enough to do anything for you on a bulk but the anti-catabolic nature can help, if used correctly, when cutting.

 

[arnyswole33]

well I have metiformin which will increase my sensitivity so maybe ill be able to get away with doing only 20 ius a day. ill probably post my results on this forum when im finished so we`ll see then if it works but thanks for all the great info, you really helped a lot!

 

[Mrrippedzilla]

No problem.
Just be aware before you experiment that metformin + high dose insulin will dramatically increase the risk of going hypo

 

[JimiThing]

thank you for your reply! hopefully ill be apart of that small percentage but if not then lesson learned.

Smart people learn from their own mistakes, wise people learn from others mistakes.

 

[JimiThing]

well I have metiformin which will increase my sensitivity so maybe ill be able to get away with doing only 20 ius a day. ill probably post my results on this forum when im finished so we`ll see then if it works but thanks for all the great info, you really helped a lot!

If your gonna use glucophage Id suggest (and I personally have done this) doing 5 on 2 off. Use the glucophage on the 2 off days to maintain insulin sensitivity. Oh and good luck you may need it cause metformin might put you on the toilet the entire 2 off days! Watch your dosage that stuff can be brutal on your stomach.

 

[arnyswole33]

I was thinking more like a 4 on 3 off is that okay? And yeah that's what I've heard about metiformin, I was thinking I'd run a total of a 1000 mg on my off days.

 

[snowpatrol123]

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metformin might put you on the toilet the entire 2 off days! Watch your dosage that stuff can be brutal on your stomach.

This was my experience from my unfortunate experiment...bailed after a week (of just 425mg/d)

I still have 9 of 10 blister packs left hah.

 

[Ziegler]

I dont know exactly what goes on in the body muscle fat water or whatever. But I saw a guy I work with get on insulin and get fucking huge off it . If you want to go gluttonious then that will do it. This dude went from skinny not hardly eating to eating anything and everything and ballooning up to twice the size at least and in a short period of time it was bazaar. Not just belly fat either it was all over size gains.

 

[arnyswole33]

Dang do you think slin was the only thing he was running tho?

 

[arnyswole33]

Haha that's unfortunate. I hope I can handle it cause I really need to keep my sensitivity up.

 

[PrinceDianabol]

I dont know exactly what goes on in the body muscle fat water or whatever. But I saw a guy I work with get on insulin and get fucking huge off it . If you want to go gluttonious then that will do it. This dude went from skinny not hardly eating to eating anything and everything and ballooning up to twice the size at least and in a short period of time it was bazaar. Not just belly fat either it was all over size gains.

Unless he was running anabolics and/or GH, majority would have been fat gain. Not everyone stores fat immediately on their stomache - I tend to 'blow up' and gain fat everywhere when I do, but I'm a tall guy. My legs and chest blow up first, I can only get a belly at around 25%+ bf.

Even at 20%+ with a shirt on people think I'm just muscular, I don't look fat at all.. shirt off, slightly different story