Var question

THE-DET-OAK said:
Listen man I have tried to explain this to you many times, no matter what you just don't get it. The problem is you just don't understand the HPTA and especially SHBG's role in libido amongst other things. It is a waste of time for me to try and make you understand because you are not willing. I really don't know what else to say, I think you actually believe you understand this stuff, but you just don't man. LMFAO talk about heeding your own advice - thats this right there LOL



for the hundredth time, it is stupid to use things that lower SHBG while on. Winstrol (winny) , masteron, var, all bad huh?

I can't even comment on your last post you butchered my words so bad.

In short, so maybe you will get it, lowering SHBG when on testosterone is not wise, you are implying it will increase libido, I am trying to explain that it doesn't.

This whole free roaming testosterone bullshit perpetuated on the boards is a big ass myth, it is not important while on testosterone, so it is not an advantage, it is a disadvantage. I use to think it was a good thing, it has taken me years, looking at 100's of blood test's of men on androgens to realize the it is not.

just FYI, you have not been able to prove me wrong once, yet you claim to do it daily.

if you happen to point out something that I am wrong about, I will be happy to admit it. Really? Cause thisis like the third time in as many days that you should be
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Oh god you are , once again , trying to tailor the argument to suit your contention rather than the OP. He is talking about using it for 4-6 weeks. Short term lowering of shbg will increase sex drive and libido - its well known. STOP using long term trt/var administration to try prove what would occur in what is comparatively a very short duration cycle. I am well aware trt can offer some relevant inout re cycle HOWEVER you cannot use data from 6,9 ,12 months or longer of administration and simply slap it down and say the same thing will happen in 8-14 weeks. Thats absurd. I know that may be all you understand (trt) , cause you sure dont understand cycles...but it is imprudent and irresponsible once again to use that data in this scenario. Of course when you goal is to be right , not spread correct info or help the op - I suppose it doesnt matter does it.
You are again being ridiculous.
 
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Gymrat28 said:
I'm planning on adding Anavar (var) to the end of this cycle. The cycle is like this.
1-4 50mg d-Bol
1-14 650 test.
My question is if I add 4 weeks of Anavar (var) should I run it to the edge of post cycle therapy (pct) like weeks 12-16 or should it be 10-14 two weeks off then post cycle therapy (pct)? I'm on the start of week 4, and almost done with dbol.
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OP I would run it 60-80mgs/day for 6 weeks right up to your post cycle therapy (pct). You will be pleased.
 
Jimi, you constantly manipulate what I say and the shit you come up with is downright hilarious. You flip the argument more than a politician.

You said Anavar (var) will increase sex drive because it lowers SHBG.

I never said don't take it. I never said it will kill sex drive for sure, I simply said there are a lot of reports of decreased libido on Anavar (var) and there is. On top of that I said taking things to lower SHBG while on androgens is retarded.

You go around in all these threads saying how irresponsible I am for throwing caution to the wind, when it is you who does this.

There is no reason to take anything that lowers SHBG, as I said many times lowering SHBG is not necessary, and as a matter of FACT low SHBG is the problem when on androgens not high, and I have provided ample evidence to support what I said and could provide hundreds of documents showing low SHBG is not good, yet you still claim that lowering SHBG is a good thing and its not.................period.

As I said this is a myth perpetuated on the boards and parroted by people like you that really don't know your ass from a hole in the ground.
 
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THE-DET-OAK said:
Jimi, you constantly manipulate what I say and the shit you come up with is downright hilarious. You flip the argument more than a politician.

You said Anavar (var) will increase sex drive because it lowers SHBG.

I never said don't take it. I never said it will kill sex drive for sure, I simply said there are a lot of reports of decreased libido on Anavar (var) and there is. On top of that I said taking things to lower SHBG while on androgens is retarded.

You go around in all these threads saying how irresponsible I am for throwing caution to the wind, when it is you who does this.

There is no reason to take anything that lowers SHBG, as I said many times lowering SHBG is not necessary, and as a matter of FACT low SHBG is the problem when on androgens not high, and I have provided ample evidence to support what I said and could provide hundreds of documents showing low SHBG is not good, yet you still claim that lowering SHBG is a good thing and its not.................period.

As I said this is a myth perpetuated on the boards and parroted by people like you that really don't know your ass from a hole in the ground.
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God shut up>re: lowering shbg I never said it was good or bad ..i just said it was. I also said it results in an increase in libido - which it does. Stop ruining another thread with your drivel in an attempt to argue. Stop using long term trt studies and equating the results to 10 - 12 week cycles. Also stop saying really stupid things like "there is no reason to take anything that lowers shbg" because Winstrol (winny) , masteron , Anavar (var) all lower it and I can think of some pretty damn good reasons to take all 3. Oh and btw most "reports" of Anavar (var) killing libido ..are idiots taking Anavar (var) alone , not with test.
You are insane.
 
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JimiThing said:
Oh and btw most "reports" of Anavar (var) killing libido ..are idiots taking Anavar (var) alone , not with test.
You are insane.
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Not true, just simply not true. You perpetuate myths and I will call you out every single time.

Have a nice day, I am pretty sure this thread speaks for itself, since I posted a study showing Anavar (var) killed libido in men on test.............................

And stop back pedaling, this whole argument is about you claiming that lowering SHBG on testosterone, will increase libido. I could post 3 authors right now that agree with me, authors that are well respected in the AAS world.

Have a nice day douche bag :)

PS you did notice that the decreased hepatic function also lowers TT levels right? Im not even going to get into why that is important in relation to your claims cause again its most likely over your head.
 
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Jimi get a grip man. Anavar (var) does not increase libido, it's well know for doing the opposite, and more so than many AAS. Along with T it's fine but I don't see why you are trying to argue a point that you obviously don't understand.

The conclusion to the study was suppression of TT, free T, SHBG, this means shut down, and without the inclusion of T it will negatively impact libido. You study says nothing of anyone showing an increase in libido of any of the subjects, only a gain in weight.

You must be getting something other than Anavar (var) or are like a friend of mine who claims everything increases his libido, but he also thinks he can tell how good or strong a bottle of T is from one inject.

You are fighting a losing battle and won't let it go for some reason. The suppression your study shows all result in the loss of libido. If you think it increases yours then great but you are spreading poor information.
 
THE-DET-OAK said:
Not true, just simply not true. You perpetuate myths and I will call you out every single time.

Have a nice day, I am pretty sure this thread speaks for itself, since I posted a study showing Anavar (var) killed libido in men on test.............................

And stop back pedaling, this whole argument is about you claiming that lowering SHBG on testosterone, will increase libido. I could post 3 authors right now that agree with me, authors that are well respected in the AAS world.

Have a nice day douche bag :)

PS you did notice that the decreased hepatic function also lowers TT levels right? Im not even going to get into why that is important in relation to your claims cause again its most likely over your head.
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LOL
My god shut up already. You are so full of it its scary. Every person reading this can see wtf you are trying to do and how stupid it is.
Once again your Owned.
Buh Bye .....
 
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UserAt204 said:
Jimi get a grip man. Anavar (var) does not increase libido, it's well know for doing the opposite, and more so than many AAS. Along with T it's fine but I don't see why you are trying to argue a point that you obviously don't understand.

The conclusion to the study was suppression of TT, free T, SHBG, this means shut down, and without the inclusion of T it will negatively impact libido. You study says nothing of anyone showing an increase in libido of any of the subjects, only a gain in weight.

You must be getting something other than Anavar (var) or are like a friend of mine who claims everything increases his libido, but he also thinks he can tell how good or strong a bottle of T is from one inject.

You are fighting a losing battle and won't let it go for some reason. The suppression your study shows all result in the loss of libido. If you think it increases yours then great but you are spreading poor information.
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You apparently have no concept on the effects dht based steroids bring to the table in the area of sex drive and libido. But thats ok. You are entitled to your opinion.
 
Det Oak at it again.
Hey Dumb Oak - your study is long term testosterone and oxandrolone administration, Not 6 weeks in a cycle. Everyone knows what dht's do for sex drive.
Why do you keep posting irrelevant garbage and trying to make it appear relevant? Oh that's right because you want to argue all the time with Jimi because he keeps making you look stupid. I forgot. Once again the OP is screwed via your agenda Dumb Oak.
I wish you would stop. You NEED to stop.
 
Just because something is a DHT base or derivative does not mean it increases libido. Winstrol (winny), primo, Anavar (var) etc aren't known for that action.

Things like proviron and masterone are thought to inverse libido but most will find increased sensation more so than over all increase in libido.

There is no point in arguing this.

To the OP yes add in the Anavar (var) , you can run it however you want, I personally would stop use when you stop T because it reduces LH, FSH, TT, free T, etc. once you stop T use, the point is to clear exo hormones, and allow or prepare your body to return to the production of LH/FSH, which is why we do post cycle therapy (pct) any way. You don't want something to further suppress hormones when we are in the process of attempting to recover them
 
UserAt204 said:
Just because something is a DHT base or derivative does not mean it increases libido. Winstrol (winny), primo, Anavar (var) etc aren't known for that action.

Things like proviron and masterone are thought to inverse libido but most will find increased sensation more so than over all increase in libido.

There is no point in arguing this.

To the OP yes add in the Anavar (var) , you can run it however you want, I personally would stop use when you stop T because it reduces LH, FSH, TT, free T, etc. once you stop T use, the point is to clear exo hormones, and allow or prepare your body to return to the production of LH/FSH, which is why we do post cycle therapy (pct) any way. You don't want something to further suppress hormones when we are in the process of attempting to recover them
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Im not trying to start a side debate, or any debate at all but you are wrong re: dht based steroids and libido. The glaring error is winstrol. It is well known for this effect.
Also not that I care how the OP chooses but as Ana Anavar (var) is an oral with a short active life it could be run up to post cycle therapy (pct) and be out of the system before starting serms. As far as I know the time from our last injection till the start of post cycle therapy (pct) isnt attempting to recover ..its allowing hormones to clear so we can then properly attempt to recover. Anyway that is my opinion on these matters.
OP HCG may be worth looking into as well.
 
This thread sure shows you post count doesnt mean anything. Anavar (var) makes me horny as hell, so does Winstrol (winny). It seems to me this is not uncommon.
I would run Anavar (var) at 60mg daily for 4-6 weeks.
 
stevelifts said:
This thread sure shows you post count doesnt mean anything. Anavar (var) makes me horny as hell, so does Winstrol (winny). It seems to me this is not uncommon.
I would run Anavar (var) at 60mg daily for 4-6 weeks.
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No it just shows how easily people with a low post count can be sold on a dream.

first of all jackass Anavar (var) doesn't even really start to shine until week 3, so 4 weeks is a waste.

Let me make sure I get this straight, you guys are saying that Anavar (var) increases libido because it lowers SHBG correct?

In the study Jimi posted it clearly states that not only did Anavar (var) lower SHBG, it also lowered Total Testosterone levels correct?

In the study I posted it shows that when Anavar (var) was taken out of the equation SHBG and total testosterone levels rose correct?

So just in case you guys don't understand what your arguing let me clear it up for you. You argue that Anavar (var) lowers SHBG, therefore giving you increased free roaming testosterone levels, which in turn increases libido.

Now if Anavar (var) lowers SHBG, but also lowers total testosterone, even for those on testosterone, how and the fuck do you get a higher free roaming % ?

chubaca is a wookie your not making any sense whatsoever.

Now that we got that out of the way we can move on to the fact that men on testosterone do not need to lower there SHBG, since it is already low.

So i don't really understand what your trying to prove here Jimi, and calling in your cronies from whatever board you come from to perpetuate your bullshit doesn't change the fact that what I and User said is 100% correct, and your reasoning for the increased libido you or whoever else had on Anavar (var) is just flat out bullshit.
 
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*LMAO* - Epic .....
Not a clue.
The study I posted wasn't including administration of test. The one you posted was on longer term trt and oxandrolone administrations. It is on ,ready, a total of .....3 hiv infected males. Do You have any idea how common hepatic impairment is in individuals with hiv you moron? No of course you dont. Do i need to explain to you why that very well may exclude the result as it would apply to healthy males? How about this line: Further work is necessary to elucidate the relationship. Did you read that ?

You are a hack. It is common knowledge the effects that most dht based steroids have on shbg - are you going to deny that ? Hell ive seen you post it about winstrol. It is also common knowledge that lowering shbg increases libidio. We are talking over the course of a normal cycle here. Not long term trt or guys with hiv whos livers are not functiuoning properly or any other BS you want to try to use to skew your retarded argument.

You are a total hack - that couldnt accurately interpret or determine the applicability of a study if someone spelled it out for you. You havent a clue. You cant dazzle with brillance so you baffle with bvllshit. Well some may buy it , but obviosuly many dont.
I am done in this thread, but im sure you will end up the fool again in the near future.

Oh and btw the guys that see thorugh your bs ..i didnt contact any of them bro ...they aparently see you for what you are ...a farce.
 
JimiThing said:
*LMAO* - Epic .....
Not a clue.
The study I posted wasn't including administration of test. The one you posted was on longer term trt and oxandrolone administrations. It is on ,ready, a total of .....3 hiv infected males. Do You have any idea how common hepatic impairment is in individuals with hiv you moron? No of course you dont. Do i need to explain to you why that very well may exclude the result as it would apply to healthy males? How about this line: Further work is necessary to elucidate the relationship. Did you read that ?

You are a hack. It is common knowledge the effects that most dht based steroids have on shbg - are you going to deny that ? Hell ive seen you post it about winstrol. It is also common knowledge that lowering shbg increases libidio. We are talking over the course of a normal cycle here. Not long term trt or guys with hiv whos livers are not functiuoning properly or any other BS you want to try to use to skew your retarded argument.

You are a total hack - that couldnt accurately interpret or determine the applicability of a study if someone spelled it out for you. You havent a clue. You cant dazzle with brillance so you baffle with bvllshit. Well some may buy it , but obviosuly many dont.
I am done in this thread, but im sure you will end up the fool again in the near future.

Oh and btw the guys that see thorugh your bs ..i didnt contact any of them bro ...they aparently see you for what you are ...a farce.
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too funny Jimi, you pick out the fact that they have liver impairment, but its ok to roll with that fact that your study was on men not even taking testosterone, so who knows if it even fucking lowers SHBG to begin with!!!!!!!!!! Secondly there are reports of loss of libido everywhere!!!!!

You are the fucking hack, assuming that Anavar (var) reduces SHBG, which even if it does your are too fucking stupid to realize that a 15% improvement on SHBG in men taking testosterone is irrelevant!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

The reason why your too fucking stupid to know it is because you HAVE NO REAL WORLD EXPERIENCE, I saw more bloods last week than you ever will in a fucking lifetime!

and Im not your fucking bro!!!!!!!!!!!!!

You call me a dancer, you are the fucking queen of backtracking!!!! You have done it this thread already a shit load, and and many others threads.

You don't insult me, I don't care what you think, but it infuriates me that someone actually has the audacity to make claims even when I have proved them wrong 6 different ways!


you still haven't even proved it lowers SHBG, let alone that men on testosterone benefit from lowering it!

On top of that you don't even know the real reason why a DHT can improve someones libido, I can assure you it has nothing to do with its effect on SHBG, which I have said all along.
 
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