very low test at 30

D

DCx

New member
quick back story, my brother started testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) at 31 and my dads on andro gel... i got in with maximus last year and ran there basic test protocol at that time my testosterone was around 600 ng/dl but my E2 was really high at over 80 pg/ml. at that time i had not ever used anything and was having a horrible time trying to lose weight and gain any type of muscle. i bought two protocols from Chip and used them until i ran out of meds. I felt amazing, test was at a steady 1000 and E2 was down to 25. I did a PCT of HCG and nolva back in august and its been down hill since then. I crashed and burned into the worst depression afterward. i started to get a cold numb feeling in my penis, my testicles ached, and i had zero libido.

i went to my dr for the anxiety and depression i had been feeling and told him about my penis and libido issues. he was concerned so i had an ultrasound done on my testicles. it came back normal. he had blood work done but it did not cover my hormones, just the basic stuff. He said my vitamin D was low and to supplement with that and to report back any changes in my groin.

I took it upon myself to order up my own hormone panel and was devastated to see the results. as of 2/8/13:

Testosterone: 235 ng/dl
LH: 3.8 mIU/ml
FHS:4.2 mIU/ml
Estradiol: 10.7 pg/ml

as you can see i am super below average, have gained back all my fat, I'm depressed as hell, and have a shriveled up cold penis, and tight balls. I made an appointment to see him next week to disclose my findings. hes my "NEW" GP I've only seen him twice.

My brother sees an amazing HRT doc but it costs lots of money for his blood work and consults. meds are pretty cheap though, he has an Rx and gets his Test C from the target pharmacy. only thing that i don't like is he said he cannot prescribe cancer meds to an adult without cancer so my brother has to outsource his Aromatase inhibitor (AI) but his Dr welcomes it.

so do you think i have a good chance to get a referral to an endo? or a scrip for test from my GP?
 
I don't understand something. You mention that you were on testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) previously then did a post cycle therapy (pct)? I think we need to clarify something here; post cycle therapy (pct) is to restore a man's NATURAL testosterone levels after running an AAS cycle. If you were on testosterone replacement therapy (TRT), that means you have little natural testosterone to begin with. So why would you undergo a post cycle therapy (pct) to return to your natural levels which landed you on testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) in the first place? You had to take a blood test to get on it right? If so, why the surprise at your recent results?

In either case, your best bet is to go to your doctor and explain to him how you're feeling and then tell him you think it may be related to your hormones. Don't give too much information at once as some doctors think you're pushing for the "wrong" reasons. If you did have to have a blood test to get on testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) the first time, it's probably a good idea to mention that you had previously been on testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) and see what he thinks. I don't know how a doctor would respond to you obtaining a blood test from an online source, maybe you can say you got it from a clinic?

If he still doesn't see eye to eye with you, you can either continue shopping for a new doctor - or talk to the guys at IncreasemyT which happen to participate at these very boards.
 
halfwit said:
I don't understand something. You mention that you were on testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) previously then did a post cycle therapy (pct)? I think we need to clarify something here; post cycle therapy (pct) is to restore a man's NATURAL testosterone levels after running an AAS cycle. If you were on testosterone replacement therapy (TRT), that means you have little natural testosterone to begin with. So why would you undergo a post cycle therapy (pct) to return to your natural levels which landed you on testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) in the first place? You had to take a blood test to get on it right? If so, why the surprise at your recent results?
Click to expand...

maximus was an old internet clinic that used to mod this forum. They pretty much took any one and everyone who had money. When i started with them my natural test was arounf 600 and e2 was above 80. Was i a prime candidate? I dont know. They gave it to me anyway. After they shut down and i wasnt able to get refills from them i did a proper post cycle therapy (pct) thinking my test would somewhat return back to its mid hundreds. That didnt happen.

Aside from my recent depression/anxiety ive seen my previous dr for breast pain. Its not gyno. 7 rears ago i had tissue removed from my left breast and it aches and burns for no reason. Sometimes after heavy chest workouts. Scartissue is what they tell me.

Maybe it was bound to happen to me. My brother discovered he had low T after he failed to recover from ACL/MCL surgery. He had atrophy so bad in his right quad he could barely walk right. testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) and hgh fixed him up and hes been on since. Like me he struggled to lose weight and gain lean mass once he hit his 30s.
 
DCx said:
maximus was an old internet clinic that used to mod this forum. They pretty much took any one and everyone who had money. When i started with them my natural test was arounf 600 and e2 was above 80. Was i a prime candidate? I dont know. They gave it to me anyway. After they shut down and i wasnt able to get refills from them i did a proper pct thinking my test would somewhat return back to its mid hundreds. That didnt happen.

Aside from my recent depression/anxiety ive seen my previous dr for breast pain. Its not gyno. 7 rears ago i had tissue removed from my left breast and it aches and burns for no reason. Sometimes after heavy chest workouts. Scartissue is what they tell me.

Maybe it was bound to happen to me. My brother discovered he had low T after he failed to recover from ACL/MCL surgery. He had atrophy so bad in his right quad he could barely walk right. testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) and hgh fixed him up and hes been on since. Like me he struggled to lose weight and gain lean mass once he hit his 30s.
Click to expand...

Ahhhhh, okay. I knew what Maximus was, but thought they tested folks prior to administration. In that case, your post makes sense now. :) Definitely get in touch with your GP and tell him your symptoms and gently push for him to run a hormone panel. As I said previously, I don't know how your doctor would react to seeing a test you had done on your own - and may question your motives.

Just remember, most docs are really jumpy about prescribing AAS as there is risk of losing their license if they're not careful (google Dr. Scally) - so you may have to jump through a couple hoops to get the proper treatment.

Good luck, and let us know how your consult goes! :)
 
^this. Most docs either won't, or aren't in the know about it. I had to find a specialist in my area, then fork over big bucks for bloodworks and the medication. Worth it, just a pain in the ass.
 
bhrees said:
Maybe the new sponsor raise my t would hook you up and accept your current blood work
Click to expand...

Knowing that they have programs for HGH and the like, I would SO do this if money weren't an object. Totally a great suggestion if the doc doesn't work out imo. :)
 
Would you gyys advise a second attempt at a post cycle therapy (pct) for a hpta restart? Ill see my dr just to hear what he has to say. I was thinking i would take some clomid and nolva and see what happens before i shell out cash for testosterone replacement therapy (TRT).

The nolva i use for my post cycle therapy (pct) came from an indian pharmacy sealed in blister packs. The Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) was the real deal as part of my meds from maximus.
 
DCx said:
Would you gyys advise a second attempt at a PCT for a hpta restart? Ill see my dr just to hear what he has to say. I was thinking i would take some clomid and nolva and see what happens before i shell out cash for testosterone replacement therapy (TRT).

The nolva i use for my pct came from an indian pharmacy sealed in blister packs. The Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) was the real deal as part of my meds from maximus.
Click to expand...
It's always worth a try and some guys are successful in restarting their HPTA. Let us know if it works out for you! :)
 
I saw my GP today. Man what a friggin joke. When I made the appointment I told the nurse I wanted to have a follow up with my Dr about my depression/penis issues. I brought a copy of my lab work with me and presented it to him. His initial response was that even though I tested lower than the average range by a whole 110 ng/dl he said its entirely possible that I have enough testosterone. He left the room for over 30 minutes and came back in the room puzzled. He said he made a few calls and spoke to the other 3 Drs in the office and stated that I would have needed to be under 200 ng/dl to qualify for testosterone. He said its not common for them to treat someone of my age let alone someone with numbers so close to 300, which they consider normal and healthy. He said I was possibly over thinking all my physical symptoms and making them worse by dwelling on them.

Apparently the treatment for low testosterone is believing you dont have it until your body overcomes it...

The rest of the appointment consisted of him talking me out of seeking testosterone replacement therapy (TRT). He went on and on about how red blood cell count increases and I would be setting myself up for future prostate cancer. Now that I got my answer from my HMO I will be seeking independent treatment.
 
Im yet to get the blood test results from my hmo dr. I will be calling them after work today.

I found a good HRT doctor that is only 30 miles from my house. Its a nice facility that is within a health club/gym. I started the ball rolling with them and scheduled an apt. Only drawback is i cant be seen until April 23rd. The prices are good and they offer Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG), hgh, and t3 if needed. They also have a bod pod BMI indexing machine. Im interested in seeing what my actual fat mass is.

To occupy my time until then i started working out more. Im only doing compound exercises and following a 40,30,30 diet. So far progress is terrible. I cant lose weight if my life depended on it. This is the same exact cutting diet from 3j i used to lose 25lbs while on testosterone.

Any advise on diet or exercise until i can increase my test levels? Id like to be decently conditioned so i can hit it hard after April.
 
Wow that sucks, my GP originally gave me rx for testim and then I changed over to a shot.. and they wanted to administer 200mg/month. Found a new doc and now way better regime.. 200mg/week

Its all about finding the right docs that know what they are looking at.. GP's are great.. for .. colds and such but really start getting out of their realm with specifics like this.
 
Drink white and green tea, studies show it can keep your testosterone free floating in you bloodstream as much as 30%. Holding on to your natural testosterone instead of excreting through the urine is probably the best way to "Increase " test naturally. I am personally on testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) and have tried other ways and most were just misleading at best. I a new guy and learning so much from these others on this, listen and become educated. There's a lot of knowledge here. It's just my opinion.... someone want to pipe in ?
 
hippiez said:
Drink white and green tea, studies show it can keep your testosterone free floating in you bloodstream as much as 30%. Holding on to your natural testosterone instead of excreting through the urine is probably the best way to "Increase " test naturally. I am personally on testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) and have tried other ways and most were just misleading at best. I a new guy and learning so much from these others on this, listen and become educated. There's a lot of knowledge here. It's just my opinion.... someone want to pipe in ?
Click to expand...

Thanks, im actually drinking green tea with dinner. I have tried some of the testosterone myths. When i got my blood work done i was taking 10,000iu vitamin d3 and taking ZMA nightly. Also i increased my volume of squats and compound exercises.
 
Got the results from the HMO Dr.

Testosterone: 285 ng/dl
Free test: 45 pg/ml

I have no idea how they calculated the free test but both values were within their normal ranges.
 
285 is normal if you're 80 years old. That's the problem with that "range" of 285-1200 to be called normal. If you're a man in his 40's I dont think you should be on the low end of normal. Not with something like Testosterone where it reduces gradually as you age. I went to a urologist who said my 310 was normal. It's more about how you feel than the number. I'm sure there are some people who feel great at 285. But you're not one of them. So it sucks that you have to go to a HRT clinic which isn't covered by insurance. You're low energy, bad mood, and low libido are diagnosed as "depression" and treated with anti depressants and covered by insurance. But from what you said while on an HRT its the Test number thats causing these things, not depression. So you'll gain weight, which will increase your cholesterol, blood pressure, sugar numbers, etc. and they'll cover meds for those conditions, but not Test which will most likely eliminate the need for all the other meds. Crazy.
 
I'd get a second opinion from another doctor if money is an issue and you need it covered by insurance. I've found the younger docs tend to be a bit more informed as testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) is covered a bit more extensively in more recent years for their training than the older generation that still think hormone therapy is only for women. You can always contact the Increase My T guys here as well, I'm sure they will be able to help. :)
 
You must log in or register to reply here.

Similar threads

C
Superdrol at 25%BF
Replies
0
Views
101
country guy
C
I
If you are intending to recover, getting blood tests and hormone levels checked can be a life changer. E.g. low testosterone levels has bad effects
Replies
0
Views
722
ilovebenching
I
D
too much
Replies
11
Views
1K
dogdog2
D
DMZ
Questions About Fat Loss and Muscle Building Stack with HGH, Nandrolone, and Test
Replies
0
Views
1K
DMZ
DMZ
S
Post Cycle Blood Work. Low LH and FSH.
Replies
4
Views
4K
appleton111
appleton111
Back
Top