Vitamin Questions for Austinite

theRZA

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Hey Austinite hope you're reading this, and anyone else who has vast knowledge of vitamin absorbance..feel free to chime in!







All my supplements for the fat loss stack came in the mail today, to say I'm excited is an understatement.

Summary of my intake:

IF Protocol (feeding window from 1-9pm)
Usually train fasted (With 10g BCAAs and typical stim-heavy preworkout->will be REMOVING once I start)
Keto Diet
Currently Cutting
Taking this Met-RX Active multi-vitamin
Taking NOW Ultra Omega 3 (Does not have Vitamin E)
Taking NAC 600mg EOD
Taking Zinc Magnesium Aspartate (before bed)
I usually have a few diet soda's throughout the week when I get a sweet tooth (Should subside with the chromium)
Usually have 2-3 cups of coffee throughout the day

I plan on taking the Synephrine 30-45 minutes pre-workout, but the rest of the vitamins, chromium, and ECGC are confusing me in terms of timing. I want to maximize absorption and I've been reading mixed things. Do you have any recommendations as to when I should take which vitamins at what times (including parts of your fat loss stack)?

So you were saying to take the Multi fasted?? (Since i dont break my fast until 1pm)

Is there a biochemical difference between taking L-Cysteine and NAC? I was reading that the only difference is that NAC is more stable due to the acetyl group allowing it to cross the BBB more easily. However, I noticed in your vitamin regimen, you take both...any reason for that?

Also, any reason (or literature you can guide me to) that uneases you about multi's?
 
Although the question was directed at austinite, I am asking openly so that anyone else with knowledge of this subject can chime in. but it is somewhat of a workaround :naughty:
 
Hey Austinite hope you're reading this, and anyone else who has vast knowledge of vitamin absorbance..feel free to chime in!

So you were saying to take the Multi fasted?? (Since i dont break my fast until 1pm)

Is there a biochemical difference between taking L-Cysteine and NAC? I was reading that the only difference is that NAC is more stable due to the acetyl group allowing it to cross the BBB more easily. However, I noticed in your vitamin regimen, you take both...any reason for that?

Also, any reason (or literature you can guide me to) that uneases you about multi's?

I don't have lit. Sorry. Multivitamins are so low dosed it's almost funny. There's only so much you can cram into a pill or two. There's 3 stages we can accomplish...

1. Deficiency.
2. Healthy (in range).
3. Optimum.

Number 1 is obviously a diet related issue.

Number 2 can be achieved with diet and/or a multivitamin.

Number 3 cannot be accomplished with either diet or multivitamins. This is not a state that is required, it's a state that I personally prefer, where benefits not only maintain a healthy state, but are amplified to a maximum level without negative effects. There isn't an amount of food you could consume to reach these levels. For example, B12 levels in range would be 200 to 1100 pg/ml. Most humans are in the lower to mid-range. This is not nearly close to the average binding capacity. I like my levels in the 3000+ range.

That's why I think multivitamins are generally a waste of money. Look at the ingredients of any multivitamin available today, even the ones that require 6+ pills per serving. You'll note that you're getting the cheapest-to-obtain and produce versions in doses that neonates could barely benefit. You'll notice that B12 is cyanocobalamin instead of the superior methyl or adenosyl. You'll notice that Magnesium is rarely Citrate, copper is rarely chelate. Not that it even matters at those doses.

Onto NAC and why I take L-Cysteine, your research is correct. NAC is superior for the reasons mentioned. NAC can also increase the pathway to Coagulation. (the process that will lead to blood clots). So it acts as a preventative measure. The results from using NAC can be measured with bloodwork and is referred to as "prothrombin time". Nac is also more stable, as stated and produces a greater deal of glutathione, the great antioxidant mentioned earlier in this thread.

However, there is one pathway (away from KEGG pathway) that is missed by almost everyone. Pathway 4.4.1.15 (had to look that one up), which takes a degraded journey to Pruverate. (I'll go into pruverate if you need me to, not likely tonight though). L-Cysteine (in the presence of vitamin C) rejuvenates this degradation so that we arrive plentiful at Pruverate. This is because L-Cysteine is slow, and its residence between Cystine and Cysteine (notice spelling) is a more lengthy process (it converts back and forth). This is where we fork off to Pruverate.

You can take excess NAC to resolve this, but you can only process so much at once. Think of it as a booster and a "serum stabilizer" while NAC diminishes in 5.6 hours.

You don't need both, but I do :)
 
This might be a dumb thought, but couldn't you just skip that step and take Calcium Pyruvate to ensure that you are getting the stable form of Pyruvate instead of risking the chance that the L-cysteine doesn't get absorbed properly or not enough is converted to Pyruvate? Essentially, isn't L-cysteine acting as an unecessary middle man to achieving high levels of Pyruvate?

Also, I asked my doctor for a full blood test to find out all of my levels and the prescription he gave me is a simple glucose test. Total idiot. Is there anything I need to ask for specifically, or do I need to go to an endo?
 
This might be a dumb thought, but couldn't you just skip that step and take Calcium Pyruvate to ensure that you are getting the stable form of Pyruvate instead of risking the chance that the L-cysteine doesn't get absorbed properly or not enough is converted to Pyruvate? Essentially, isn't L-cysteine acting as an unecessary middle man to achieving high levels of Pyruvate?

Yes, but then what's going to take care of cysteine ?

You need to choose your battles here, I mean you need to decide where your priorities are and how much supplementation you're willing to take. So, if I can hit two birds with one stone, that's the goal then. if I attend to every precursor and its dog, I'd be supplementing 24 hours a day and still not catch up. Have you seen my supp list? I'm already time-consumed. And remember, my explanations relate to my preferences, not everyone. So if you want to amplify both, supplement Pruv and NAC. Not for me though. What I get from the 2 Cysteines is plenty.
 
Also, I asked my doctor for a full blood test to find out all of my levels and the prescription he gave me is a simple glucose test. Total idiot. Is there anything I need to ask for specifically, or do I need to go to an endo?

What do you mean? Most endo's require a referral. Get private labs if your doc won't order panels.
 
Austinite, can you repost the info you had from your thread concerning your top vitamins and supplements? Looked couple times and can't find it anymore...thanks bro!
 
What do you mean? Most endo's require a referral. Get private labs if your doc won't order panels.

I found a private lab website that works here in NY. Any specific panels you recommend? I was thinking complete metabolic panels with a hormone panel and vitamin panel but that could get expensive if my insurance doesn't cover some of it. Can they do all those tests with one blood draw?
 
I found a private lab website that works here in NY. Any specific panels you recommend? I was thinking complete metabolic panels with a hormone panel and vitamin panel but that could get expensive if my insurance doesn't cover some of it. Can they do all those tests with one blood draw?

Depends on what you're looking for.

Testosterone, Total
Testosterone, Free
Sensitive Estradiol Assay
Comprehensive Metabolic Panel
Complete Blood Count
Lipid Profile

Those are vital when considering steroid cycles. Yes, all tests can be done with one draw (multiple vials, but one draw). Be sure to go in fasted if you run a lipid profile.
 
I found a private lab website that works here in NY. Any specific panels you recommend? I was thinking complete metabolic panels with a hormone panel and vitamin panel but that could get expensive if my insurance doesn't cover some of it. Can they do all those tests with one blood draw?

Just be careful bc NY state medical billing laws require a PCP to write out a blood requisition and that the patient pay the lab center directly not through a middle man such as privatelabsmd or another online site. Some sites get by this by offering mail in samples and deferring payment in a manner to get around the law but research before throwing away your money.
 
Depends on what you're looking for.

Testosterone, Total
Testosterone, Free
Sensitive Estradiol Assay
Comprehensive Metabolic Panel
Complete Blood Count
Lipid Profile

Those are vital when considering steroid cycles. Yes, all tests can be done with one draw (multiple vials, but one draw). Be sure to go in fasted if you run a lipid profile.

I've never ran a cycle, but when I was 14(9 years ago) I was over 30% bf and began to show significant insulin resistance. Since then I've come down(I estimate 12%bf with major increase in lbm since then, so I've come a long way) and blood tests have shown low-normal insulin sensitivity. I'm concerned about getting that to optimal levels, as well as my testosterone.. Since I've been dieting since May I wanna see my cortisol levels, also because school is f**** stressful lol. And I have slight MPB for my age so I wanted to get levels checked for that to see if I can counteract any of its progression through supplementation. Vitamin D deficiency also concerns me. Lastly, my brother is iron deficient an it's apparently genetic in my family so I'm kind of waiting for that to happen.

That pretty much covers all of my concernsw.

@DreDay,

Apparently directlabs.com has a "direct access" website for NY in which they have a state doctor that basically gives the lab the order for the blood work and you just have to pay them some low fee and the lab for the draw. They claim it's cheaper this way than in any other state.
 
I've never ran a cycle, but when I was 14(9 years ago) I was over 30% bf and began to show significant insulin resistance. Since then I've come down(I estimate 12%bf with major increase in lbm since then, so I've come a long way) and blood tests have shown low-normal insulin sensitivity. I'm concerned about getting that to optimal levels, as well as my testosterone.. Since I've been dieting since May I wanna see my cortisol levels, also because school is f**** stressful lol. And I have slight MPB for my age so I wanted to get levels checked for that to see if I can counteract any of its progression through supplementation. Vitamin D deficiency also concerns me. Lastly, my brother is iron deficient an it's apparently genetic in my family so I'm kind of waiting for that to happen.

That pretty much covers all of my concernsw.

@DreDay,

Apparently directlabs.com has a "direct access" website for NY in which they have a state doctor that basically gives the lab the order for the blood work and you just have to pay them some low fee and the lab for the draw. They claim it's cheaper this way than in any other state.
Congrats on the fat loss.

I am vitamin D deficient. Certainly have that checked. It's been a long journey for me. You want to find out the root cause of any deficiency. Simply treating it directly is not an option for me. Well, not a permanent option. You might also look into a full thyroid panel.

Cortisol can be tricky. Be sure to read up on it heavily before testing. Most people waste time with this test because they aren't aware of fluctuations, timing for blood draws, etc...
 
So just to reiterate, I should look into all of the following:

Testosterone, Total
Testosterone, Free
Sensitive Estradiol Assay
Comprehensive Metabolic Panel
Complete Blood Count
Lipid Profile
Hormone profile for insulin
Thyroid panel
Vitamin D
Iron
Cortisol(with proper research)


Am I missing anything?
 
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