Weekly Testosterone Dose (TRT)

[snoe1013]

I was wondering what your weekly testosterone (cyp) doseage is for TRT. I just started testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) and my Dr. started me at 75mg of test cyp per week (0.375ml of 200mg/ml) along with 650iu Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) 2x per week. From reading through the forums it seems most people are on 200mg/week. Im kind of wondering if my 75mg/week is enough to get my levels in the 800-1000 total T range. My total testosterone levels pre testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) were 108 and 230. Trying to make sure I am on the right track. Labs are scheduled after 6 weeks to see if dose needs adjusted. Is it best to start off slowly with test cyp dosing or does it really matter.

Thanks for the help!

 

[theguy9129]

most start at 100. I think 200 per week is probably on your high end, most from what I have seen are between 100-150. Its better to start off small because the less of it you need to get where you need to be the better, if you over do it then your just going to run into high estrogren problems, acne, hair loss etc. 75mg seem small but from what im seeing the doctor has you started off right. Depends on your age it may take 2-4 weeks for you to feel a change. Younger guys can get changes quicker. I myself started on patches and felt changes in a week but it wasnt enough so went to injections and felt changes in about two weeks. Unfortunately I went from a Gp that new nothing to specialist and they took away the shots and put me on gel for the time being, which I think seems to be every docs protocol is to try and shove people on the gel which one positive of gel is you shouldnt have any lulls in how you feel as you get it everyday, which I can atest with on the shot. On day 5 I felt it going down and day 6 was gone, but I changed to every 6 days upped my dose and I was great. But I have to wait till next weeks blood test to plead my case for going back on injections.

 

[BZOERB]

I inject 40mg 2x/week so total 80mg. I started with 200mg/week then 150mg/week then 100mg/week all of those had my levels over 1500 I don't know exactly since MD Labs only shows over 1500. I went to 80mg a week and blood test shows 1200. I started with a Test level of 286 so i must respond well to T injections and I see some people doing 200/week with T levels at 1000-1200 so it varies quite a bit from person to person. Also, I do 250 Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) 2xweek and I take .25 Aromatase inhibitor (AI) 3x/week.
I wish I would have started off slowly instead of on the high side because I did not feel all that well with my T levels >1500
Also you can pull your own labs with Private MD labs for $50 whenever you like
Hopes that helps you.

 

[Megatron28]

100mg of test cyp injections once per week.

 

[THE-DET-OAK]

All good info so far. It varies from person to person and it matters what your pre testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) numbers are. The lower they are the less you should need, although I have seen it the opposite. I personally wouldn't go lower than 100mg/week. With cyp 31 of those MG's are ester, only 69mg of testosterone there.

It matters more how you feel cause although we want to compare injectable bloods to endogenous, it really is apples to oranges.

 

[wtgrantham]

All good info so far. It varies from person to person and it matters what your pre testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) numbers are. The lower they are the less you should need, although I have seen it the opposite. I personally wouldn't go lower than 100mg/week. With cyp 31 of those MG's are ester, only 69mg of testosterone there.

It matters more how you feel cause although we want to compare injectable bloods to endogenous, it really is apples to oranges.

Hey Det, If you have a solution of 200 mg of testosterone per ml then every ml contains 200 mg of testosterone correct? The esther or mixing solution shouldn't matter just the concentration of the testosterone. If I am taking 1/2 ml per week I should be getting 100 mg of testosterone correct?

 

[snoe1013]

Thanks for the replies, as it is good to hear that it is better to start off slowly and always increase if blood work deems it neccessary. That makes more sense than jumping into larger doses from the start!

.....it matters what your pre testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) numbers are. The lower they are the less you should need.....

The lower your pre testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) testosterone numbers are, the less mg Testosterone you will need for testosterone replacement therapy (TRT)? I have not heard this before and seems counter to what you would think. I thought the lower your testosterone levels were pre testosterone replacement therapy (TRT), the more testosterone you would need during HRT.... Can you expand on this if you get a chance? I am curious to learn more about this. My pre testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) testosterone was 108 to 230 (total) so I assumed I would need a larger dose (100mg-200mg) for my weekly injections.

 

[theguy9129]

Thanks for the replies, as it is good to hear that it is better to start off slowly and always increase if blood work deems it neccessary. That makes more sense than jumping into larger doses from the start!



The lower your pre testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) testosterone numbers are, the less mg Testosterone you will need for testosterone replacement therapy (TRT)? I have not heard this before and seems counter to what you would think. I thought the lower your testosterone levels were pre testosterone replacement therapy (TRT), the more testosterone you would need during HRT.... Can you expand on this if you get a chance? I am curious to learn more about this. My pre testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) testosterone was 108 to 230 (total) so I assumed I would need a larger dose (100mg-200mg) for my weekly injections.

Yeah I am curious too as I was 170 and 210 being 29 might not be ultra low but was close to it. I started out at 100mg per week and it wasnt working, I was taking 160mg per week and was at 636, and from how I felt and and such was thinking about going up to 180mg per week. But now I am on androgel and awiating to go back to shots, as I am at specialist and just appeasing what they want to try for another week, blood test next friday and I am on 4 pump of androgel, needless to say I dont feel that great on gel, and will ensure I influence my blood test next friday to be much lower to get back on what I want.

 

[AndroSport]

I have seen many start @ 200mg/wk to see where that puts them... then back off if needed

 

[AndroSport]

Hey Det, If you have a solution of 200 mg of testosterone per ml then every ml contains 200 mg of testosterone correct? The esther or mixing solution shouldn't matter just the concentration of the testosterone. If I am taking 1/2 ml per week I should be getting 100 mg of testosterone correct?

I believe he is saying that would actually be 138 mg

 

[THE-DET-OAK]

Hey Det, If you have a solution of 200 mg of testosterone per ml then every ml contains 200 mg of testosterone correct? The esther or mixing solution shouldn't matter just the concentration of the testosterone. If I am taking 1/2 ml per week I should be getting 100 mg of testosterone correct?

Your confusing the carrier (oil) with the ester. The ester is attached directly to the T, and it has a weight. So every 100mg of cypionate raw material is only 69mg of testosterone. The remaining amount of weight is the ester attached to it. So in each ML there is 138mg testosterone and 62mg of cypionate.

Hope this helps.

 

[THE-DET-OAK]

The lower your pre testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) testosterone numbers are, the less mg Testosterone you will need for testosterone replacement therapy (TRT)?

Realize that when you put exogenous T in your endogenous (natural) goes to 0. So if someone is used to 450ng/dl T levels he will have to take enough to get to that number and surpass. So he can feel the difference per say.

The guy at 180 would feel a lot better at 600ng/dl most likely but the other guy may not notice a change at that number. This does not take in a lot of other factors though so its not always true.

 

[theguy9129]

Realize that when you put exogenous T in your endogenous (natural) goes to 0. So if someone is used to 450ng/dl T levels he will have to take enough to get to that number and surpass. So he can feel the difference per say.

The guy at 180 would feel a lot better at 600ng/dl most likely but the other guy may not notice a change at that number. This does not take in a lot of other factors though so its not always true.

So what you are saying is a guy that is lower will need less to get to his pre synthetic intake spot maybe a little higher? But wouldnt a guy thats low take less to get to his pre synthetic level take more to say reach 600-800? Than a guy thats already at 400

 

[snoe1013]

Realize that when you put exogenous T in your endogenous (natural) goes to 0. So if someone is used to 450ng/dl T levels he will have to take enough to get to that number and surpass. So he can feel the difference per say.

The guy at 180 would feel a lot better at 600ng/dl most likely but the other guy may not notice a change at that number. This does not take in a lot of other factors though so its not always true.

Thanks DET, I think that makes sense. Basically, you are NOT saying it takes less mg of testosterone to get to the same total T levels, but rather less mg of testosterone for those with super low T to feel better and feel the effects of the testosterone. Since my levels are between 100 and 200, I may feel the effects of 75mg/week of Test cyp, but someone with a pre testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) level of 400 may require 150mg Test cyp to feel any reduction of symptoms. But if the goal was to get them both to a total T of say 900, then they would both require the same mg/week of Test cyp (assuming everything else was equal) because when on injections the body stops producing T and natural levels are essentially 0. Let me know if I am reading that wrong! Thanks again.

 

[THE-DET-OAK]

Thanks DET, I think that makes sense. Basically, you are NOT saying it takes less mg of testosterone to get to the same total T levels, but rather less mg of testosterone for those with super low T to feel better and feel the effects of the testosterone. Since my levels are between 100 and 200, I may feel the effects of 75mg/week of Test cyp, but someone with a pre testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) level of 400 may require 150mg Test cyp to feel any reduction of symptoms. But if the goal was to get them both to a total T of say 900, then they would both require the same mg/week of Test cyp (assuming everything else was equal) because when on injections the body stops producing T and natural levels are essentially 0. Let me know if I am reading that wrong! Thanks again.

Yes you got it right, except that your looking to get your T to a certain number, this is what most doctors do and I believe it should a matter of what it takes to relieve symptoms, wether thats 600 for one guy or 1200 for the next.

It is impossible for us to say this amount of testosterone helps X,Y and Z. We can not use natural levels as a guid, since the secretion pattern will be completely different that a natural secretion patter. So there is no way to mimic it, so there is no use trying to mimic the trough number on paper either, it is better to get adjusted, then get tested to see what makes you happy.

Everyone has different expectations of what libido, feeling good etc etc are, so it will take a different approach to each individual person.

 

[Damn Yankee]

Prior to getting on testosterone replacement therapy (TRT), my test level was sub 300. After 12 weeks of 200MG of Cyp every 5 days, and Stroz 3 days a week, my test level was above 1500 but dont know the exact number as that is as high as LabCorp will test. E level was 29. Since then, I have cut my dose in half and went to 100MG every 84 hours (Sun 10:00am & Wed 10:00pm) like some others on here. Did this for 6 weeks and had another blood test 4 weeks ago. Test level is still over 1500 which shocked me. E level lowered to 22, and I honestly feel pretty dang good. As far as difference in dosage's and how I felt; when I was on the 200mg e5d's my head always had this crazy sorta warm and maybe even hot feeling. My man rod was frickin on point just about 24/7. Was brutal if I saw a frickin hotty walkin by. Acne was crazy through the roof, and has since subsided quite a bit since I reduced my dosage. No gyno issues so far Thank God

 

[Carlitos13b]

My total was 582 and the test was done in the afternoon. My free test was 89...however the Doc said i was good for my age. I'm 38 yrs old. So, when i read everyone else's numbers i'm a little confused ! The free tests is what matter's, please advice me if i'm wrong.

 

[Thunderstruck]

I started out at 210mg every 5th day and Ive stayed on it for 3 months. It was perfect for me. I am a completely different guy. I have libido and motivation. My hip surgery recovery started to move much quicker. Im in the gym consistently. And I knocked my old lady up. It all depends on the person. I am abig guy though so maybe thats why the larger dose has worked for me.

 

[redhawk01]

i just started at 100mg/week, test cyp, split up in 2doses.

 

[corvettels3]

My total was 582 and the test was done in the afternoon. My free test was 89...however the Doc said i was good for my age. I'm 38 yrs old. So, when i read everyone else's numbers i'm a little confused ! The free tests is what matter's, please advice me if i'm wrong.

You are correct. Free test is what matters. High total test numbers means nothing if your free test is low. People always seem to just post their total numbers. They need to look at their free test.