What can unecessary pct cause?

[GrowFast]

I have low test levels but in normal range and i only checked my test after the anavar only cycle.(I ran pct after the cycle but only with nolva)
I got suggestions in here to redo pct my question is what can it cause if this is my already top normal testosterone i can get?
The pct im going to run is:
Clomid 25/25/25/25
Nolvadex 40/40/20/20

 

[jp4355]

Have you done a Complete Bloodwork ?

What's your LH & FSH levels, this should be the Determining Factor as to whether another PCT would be Beneficial.

What's your Total Test Level.
And also, what are your Current Stats.
Age/Height/Weight/approx Body Fat Percent..................................... JP

 

[GrowFast]

I only got the S-testosterone as my doctor didnt see an issue and it was 12 nmol/L recommended is 10-30.
Im 21 years old
hight 171 cm
60kg
I really dont know my body fat but im slim.
I think its low for my age but the anavar cycle was 8 months ago so i should have had recovered even normaly...
If theres no side effects with an extra pct to just make sure that im on my normal testosterone levels i want to do it.(Just to make sure)
I regret that i did the anavar only cycle and im not planning to touch steroid for att least 5-10 years thats why i realy want to make sure my test is back normal until then.
I will try to get bloodworks after the pct just to make sure that i dont have low test because if thats the case i dont se a reason to not start right now.

 

[Mycelium]

Anytime we mess with our endocrine system there is a risk. The medications themselves have risk.

The reason for blood tests is to see if it is your hypothalamus and pituitary not kicking out LH and FSH or if it is your testicles not responding.

If your LH and FSH are low Nolva and Clomid may boost production.

If they look good it's your testicles not responding and some HCG may jump start them.

Blood levels are How we troubleshoot.

It's not very common but anybcycle runs the risk of permanent shit down.

Also what dose and how long did you run it?

 

[LateStart]

I used clomid only, several times before I ever even cycled. Every time it raised my test during then returned to normal after. These same results were repeated by others. So.......in these cases no known harm was caused. All medications can cause harm. If your test is low......then what choice do you have. Pct and recover.....or go on trt. Only two real options right?
Good luck bro

 

[PapaNoel]

I only got the S-testosterone as my doctor didnt see an issue and it was 12 nmol/L recommended is 10-30.
Im 21 years old
hight 171 cm
60kg
I really dont know my body fat but im slim.
I think its low for my age but the anavar cycle was 8 months ago so i should have had recovered even normaly...
If theres no side effects with an extra pct to just make sure that im on my normal testosterone levels i want to do it.(Just to make sure)
I regret that i did the anavar only cycle and im not planning to touch steroid for att least 5-10 years thats why i realy want to make sure my test is back normal until then.
I will try to get bloodworks after the pct just to make sure that i dont have low test because if thats the case i dont se a reason to not start right now.

I have bad news for you but 12nmol/l at 21 is super super low and you might be a trt candidate with those levels.
Hope for the best with your PCT but not touching steroids might be quite the opposite case for you.

 

[IMT]

you must dial in using your bloodworks to dosage properly with nolva and clomid for pct. what where your previous dosages?

 

[3J]

clomid 35mg 3 times a week will raise your testosterone levels unless you have something wrong with your pituitary...

 

[GrowFast]

I really dont get it why my doctor says im fine while as i understand its low.(he says as long as you get erections and sex drive you should be okay).
The pct i made was 40/40/20/20 nolvadex.
I will start running the new pct on tuesday.
I will try to go to a private doctor after the summer.
I will also have ultra sound for testicle variccocele and i will try to push them to make full bloodworks on tuesday.

 

[GrowFast]

I have bad news for you but 12nmol/l at 21 is super super low and you might be a trt candidate with those levels.
Hope for the best with your PCT but not touching steroids might be quite the opposite case for you.

Yes that was what i was asking in the past post i made but everyone stopped answering there so i made a new post. I asked if i should start using test incase my testosterone stays low. I was asking if i will do more damage maybe shut complete but didnt get any response. What is the best to do if my testosterone stays low? Should i find a private doctor that might put me on trt? I mean as i am now i think i will be able to make children and i wouldnt like to fuck that up too

 

[LateStart]

Take the advice bro

 

[GrowFast]

As i see i will have to try the pct go and check my levels and in case of still low testosterone self medicate. As i understand the doctors in Sweden wont prescribe trt for a 21 yearold so i will have big problems because getting the medicins illegaly is going to be a problem as it will always going to put me on risk of getting caught.

 

[PapaNoel]

As i see i will have to try the pct go and check my levels and in case of still low testosterone self medicate. As i understand the doctors in Sweden wont prescribe trt for a 21 yearold so i will have big problems because getting the medicins illegaly is going to be a problem as it will always going to put me on risk of getting caught.

I honestly wouldn't even do any of the advice given in this thread...
I would get a legitimate doctor and have it legit all the way...
You live in sweden bro...they will have you covered... You have a legal right to demand care...use it. Dont mention steroids because it wont help.

If you dont want that...
You can go the private route. Basically two options, find an endo that actually gives a shit (going down to local doctor or care center wont do it.) Google online for a specialist, you can go there privately, just like you would go anywhere else for any type of health issues. Just book a time.

If this doesn't work, you can either go to norway or denmark and you'll still be protected with health insurance, basically respective country will bill sweden twice amount but shorten your waiting times down by a third...
You won't be charged extra. I might be mistaken but any prescription made in any of the Schengen countries are valid in all Schengen countries freely. Double check this.
Though I have no idea if its different but im pretty sure the "no doctors in sweden will prescribe a 21 year old" is not true. Age has nothing to do with it.
If all else fails just push your symptoms and demand care, if they refuse after the third doctor just do a "lex maria" and see what happens

If still dont wanna do all that... start with PCT, maybe HCG monotherapy, follow up with blood works throughout and get another BW 6 months after you stop and check it again...

 

[GrowFast]

I honestly wouldn't even do any of the advice given in this thread...
I would get a legitimate doctor and have it legit all the way...
You live in sweden bro...they will have you covered... You have a legal right to demand care...use it. Dont mention steroids because it wont help.

If you dont want that...
You can go the private route. Basically two options, find an endo that actually gives a shit (going down to local doctor or care center wont do it.) Google online for a specialist, you can go there privately, just like you would go anywhere else for any type of health issues. Just book a time.

If this doesn't work, you can either go to norway or denmark and you'll still be protected with health insurance, basically respective country will bill sweden twice amount but shorten your waiting times down by a third...
You won't be charged extra. I might be mistaken but any prescription made in any of the Schengen countries are valid in all Schengen countries freely. Double check this.
Though I have no idea if its different but im pretty sure the "no doctors in sweden will prescribe a 21 year old" is not true. Age has nothing to do with it.
If all else fails just push your symptoms and demand care, if they refuse after the third doctor just do a "lex maria" and see what happens

If still dont wanna do all that... start with PCT, maybe HCG monotherapy, follow up with blood works throughout and get another BW 6 months after you stop and check it again...

Thanks! I will try the pct and if that doesnt work i will try to find a private doctor i read a lot for people that went to the general health care here with 8nmol and the doctors didnt prescribe as they said they should be okey even with that testosterone levels, so the patients got help from private doctors.(and from some i read that they got test gel that they need to rub everyday hopefully i will find a better solution than that).
But what would happen if i do a test cycle now woth proper advice? Is the risk high for a permanent shut down?

 

[PapaNoel]

Thanks! I will try the pct and if that doesnt work i will try to find a private doctor i read a lot for people that went to the general health care here with 8nmol and the doctors didnt prescribe as they said they should be okey even with that testosterone levels, so the patients got help from private doctors.(and from some i read that they got test gel that they need to rub everyday hopefully i will find a better solution than that).
But what would happen if i do a test cycle now woth proper advice? Is the risk high for a permanent shut down?

You cant go to local care center and ask your local "rent-a-doctor"... You need to check in with a specialist, an endocrinologist.
And again, they have patient confidentiality so technically you could just tell them you did steroids but it wont help, just trust me...

Just keep pushing your symptoms, low fatigue, low sexdrive, low libido, etc etc. Just push all of them as a nightmare that ruins your life quality, ability to have a relationship etc etc, just lay it all on them.
Dont ask to have anything prescribed, just be adamant its unacceptable for you to feel like this, you're to young and you demand a solution.

Do that, and you'll get real, professional help, all paid for by the government

The gel is totally useless and im surprised a real doctor would even recommend it...

Use common sense bro..you are to young to do steroids PERIOD...there's no discussion here...
But if we add that you already have fucked up and shut yourself down and you haven't fully recovered in any sense. Your body is literally trying to recover as we speak...and you want to fuck up again AND make it WORSE ?!?
Do another cycle right now and I can almost guarantee you'll be a trt patient for life...

 

[GrowFast]

Yeah thats why i asked. to know all my options not to really do it but as you understand the more i ask the more i learn so even if it felt like a stupid question i really need to know all my options.(About the test cycle)
I will have ultrasound on Tuesday then i will know if its any other issue with my testicles that may be lowering my testosterone production it really feels like im att my max.
Thanks for all the responses.

 

[IMT]

clomid 35mg 3 times a week will raise your testosterone levels unless you have something wrong with your pituitary...

For how long 3J?

 

[PapaNoel]

For how long 3J?

Until you stop taking it ?

 

[3J]

For how long 3J?

for the amount of time youre on it.. though it can technically help with recovery if youre experiencing low t..