What do you think of this diet?

[blackcatfever]

THis is my diet I am trying to cut....sorta....I am 191 right now I am trying to get to 195 lean.... This is my diet.....

meal 1
Oatmeal
Eggs/2 yolk
meal 2
proteinshake
flax
carrots/splenda
meal 3
oatmeal
beef/cheese
meal 4
POst workout shake
protein shake
flax
ovaltime
meal 5
boiled eggs
cheese
meal 6
beef/cheese
meal 7
eggs/cheese

Equals 370 pro 105 fat 160 carbs

 

[Suareezay]

1. 7 meals is fucking ridiculous and unnecessary unless you like preparing and eating meals all day.
2. its a lot easier to lose bodyfat and weight than it is to lose bodyfat while gaining weight.

 

[rjx]

I'm confused.

You want to cut, or just get lean? There is a difference. Or are you trying to gain, then get lean or cut? Your diet has 3,065 calories. Unless you have tons of muscle, you will need to cut the calories imo. If you want to get leaner and gain more muscle, you will need to pick one.

191lbs. How tall are you? Do you know how much bf you have? Can you post pics? Are you on gear? if so, what?

If you are trying to get leaner, I would cut out a bunch of things.
Whole eggs/Yolks - IMO bad fat. Filled with cholesterol
Ovaltine - Mostly sugar. You are better off with a multi V.
Carrots - Are not good carbs for leaning out, for bulking they are ok.
Cheese- I wouldn't use fatty dairy for leaning unless on a low/no carb diet. Its ok for bulking. Eat fats like nuts/seeds/flax/olive oil/PB/avocados/fat from meat, chicken, fish.

I would at least cut the fat by 50%. My preference is 100 carbs for leaning, consumed early in the day.

 

[blackcatfever]

Im getting ready to go on cycle, so yeah I so I see leaning out while gaining weight..The ovaltine is for a post workout spike for your insulin. Since insulin is the most anabolic hormone in your body it is best used post workout when your muscles are trying to shuttle as many nutrients as possible into them. I haven't included my supplements...too many to list... But I did the math...50% pro, 20%carbs and 30%fat....I like that...I have a lot of energy during the day I I typically feel lean....I figured up the calories that a 195 lb male would need every day and it basically added up to what I have above....But from what I've read out body need some of the nutrients in yolks....so I eat 2 yolks a day and the rest are egg whites....I don't mind preparing the meals everyday...It's better than going to mcdonald's and saying that you are cutting it's ridiculous...You only get out of something what you put into it...What are some ideal vegetables for a cutting diet?

 

[adidamps2]

I'm confused.

You want to cut, or just get lean? There is a difference. Or are you trying to gain, then get lean or cut? Your diet has 3,065 calories. Unless you have tons of muscle, you will need to cut the calories imo. If you want to get leaner and gain more muscle, you will need to pick one.

191lbs. How tall are you? Do you know how much bf you have? Can you post pics? Are you on gear? if so, what?

If you are trying to get leaner, I would cut out a bunch of things.
Whole eggs/Yolks - IMO bad fat. Filled with cholesterol
B.S. , egg yolks have been proven to not affect over all cholestoral levels when consumed, and have been infact shown to reduce Chol. levels. and that fat in eggs is not bad, 1.5g of sat fat is not bad per 5grams.
Ovaltine - Mostly sugar. You are better off with a multi V.
ovaltine is maltodextrose, which is fine PWO
Carrots - Are not good carbs for leaning out, for bulking they are ok.
Cheese- I wouldn't use fatty dairy for leaning unless on a low/no carb diet. although i dont use it, or even support using it, they do make FF cheese.
Its ok for bulking.
Eat fats like nuts/seeds/flax/olive oil/PB/avocados/fat from meat, chicken, fish. so egg yolk fat is bad, but these are all good. avocado have as much sat fat as eggs. meat?? i assume red meat here, beef infact right? not high in sat fat? the only fat that one needs to avoid is man made transfats. all the rest are perfectly fine. esp for the natural lifters. sat fat directly effect natty test levels.
I would at least cut the fat by 50%. My preference is 100 carbs for leaning, consumed early in the day.

i would not cut his fat by 50%, but instead reduce his over all calorie intake, including that ridiculous amount of protien. other wise his over all diet IMO looks fine.

 

[blackcatfever]

thanks guys I was just needing some pointers....So basically cut out the cheese and a few other minor things.....If there's anything you all would like to add feel free to post it....I like all ideas and opinions..Thanks bros

 

[rjx]

B.S. , egg yolks have been proven to not affect over all cholestoral levels when consumed, and have been infact shown to reduce Chol. levels. and that fat in eggs is not bad, 1.5g of sat fat is not bad per 5grams.
Avocados are great at bringing high LDL cholesterol and triglycerides down with its high monounsaturated fat content, and beta sitosterol.

I understand that saturated fat is generally something to be more worried about than dietary cholesterol, but everything in moderation. Higher amounts of dietary cholesterol may not be as bad as once thought, but thats no reason to purposely consume more cholesterol, or not keep track of it. And since this is a steroid forum, assuming that most of us have taken gear, are on gear, or plan to take gear; we should be more careful with our dietary cholesterol consumption, and dietary intake of saturated fat.

The National Heart, Lung, and Blood Institute (NHLBI) recommends to consume fewer than 300 mg of cholesterol per day, and no more than 4 yolks per week. The American Heart Association says one could eat an egg per day as long as they have a healthy diet. But as bodybuilders, how many of us that consume wholes eggs are really going to eat just one? Our bodies generally produces the cholesterol it needs and cholesterol added in the diet imo should be limited.

ovaltine is maltodextrose, which is fine PWO
Rich Chocolate / 4 tbsp = 18 grams of sugar, chocolate Malt / 4 tbsp = grams of sugar, Malt / 4 tbsp = 14 grams of sugar. IMO for 4 tbsp of powder, thats a lot of sugar. However, I agree for PWO it is ok, only. http://www.ovaltineusa.com/

they do make FF cheese.
Very true. Touche.

so egg yolk fat is bad, but these are all good. avocado have as much sat fat as eggs. meat?? i assume red meat here, beef infact right? not high in sat fat? the only fat that one needs to avoid is man made transfats. all the rest are perfectly fine. esp for the natural lifters. sat fat directly effect natty test levels.

I said avocado since it has 0 cholesterol, and it is very high in fiber. Just a little more saturated fat in a California fruit than a large egg, and has a ton more monounsaturated fat than saturated. And don't forget beta sitosterol.

I was referring to trimmed lean red meat which can have 1 gram of total fat, less than 1 gram of saturated fat, under 20mg cholesterol, 9 grams of protein per ounce. I would rather have those ratio's than what I would get out of a whole egg.

 

[adidamps2]

B.S. , egg yolks have been proven to not affect over all cholestoral levels when consumed, and have been infact shown to reduce Chol. levels. and that fat in eggs is not bad, 1.5g of sat fat is not bad per 5grams.
Avocados are great at bringing high LDL cholesterol and triglycerides down with its high monounsaturated fat content, and beta sitosterol.

I understand that saturated fat is generally something to be more worried about than dietary cholesterol, but everything in moderation. Higher amounts of dietary cholesterol may not be as bad as once thought, but thats no reason to purposely consume m
?
ore cholesterol, or not keep track of it. And since this is a steroid forum, assuming that most of us have taken gear, are on gear, or plan to take gear; we should be more careful with our dietary cholesterol consumption, and dietary intake of saturated fat.

over all blood cholesterol is irrelevent as long as LDL and HDL levels are are at the appropriate ratio from each other.

The National Heart, Lung, and Blood Institute (NHLBI) recommends to consume fewer than 300 mg of cholesterol per day, and no more than 4 yolks per week. The American Heart Association says one could eat an egg per day as long as they have a healthy diet. But as bodybuilders, how many of us that consume wholes eggs are really going to eat just one? Our bodies generally produces the cholesterol it needs and cholesterol added in the diet imo should be limited.

the USDA says we need to eat 60-70% carbs too.

so egg yolk fat is bad, but these are all good. avocado have as much sat fat as eggs. meat?? i assume red meat here, beef infact right? not high in sat fat? the only fat that one needs to avoid is man made transfats. all the rest are perfectly fine. esp for the natural lifters. sat fat directly effect natty test levels.

I said avocado since it has 0 cholesterol, and it is very high in fiber. Just a little more saturated fat in a California fruit than a large egg, and has a ton more monounsaturated fat than saturated. And don't forget beta sitosterol.

I was referring to trimmed lean red meat which can have 1 gram of total fat, less than 1 gram of saturated fat, under 20mg cholesterol, 9 grams of protein per ounce. I would rather have those ratio's than what I would get out of a whole egg.

i am sorry my friend but whole eggs hold so many nutrients and other health factors there is no way and hell i would trade that in for what the USDA or the NHLBI say. i am in no way saying the way i eat or how much fat i eat is the way every one here should eat. but i think people need to do more research on dietary fat and the role it plays in the human body. it is probably one of the most important nutritents we consume.