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Grubba

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More reading and I am thinking of the following for my First cycle, which I plan to do for 10wks.

Test P 500mgs a week (250mgs Sun/Wed)
HCG 500mgs a week (250mgs Sun/Wed)
Arom 12.5mgs a day

Nolva 40-40-20-10 ED
Clom 50-50-50-50 ED

I have Tren on hand as well but I think I will see how this cycle goes and try it another cycle or sell it. I will start the PCT 2wks after my last pin. And my last Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) will be 3/4 days before my PCT starts and I will stop. At the moment I plan to stop the AROM the day before I start my PCT.


Age: 25
Height: 5'11
Weight: 165
Bench: 230
Squat: 195
BF 5%

I am a small guy but I have been this size for about the last year and a half. I am really only looking to put on 10-15lbs I have tired hard to put on weight but It's not easy for me. Everyone in my family is pretty small so I am going to blame genetics. I could put on the weight if I would cut back my running but as a marathon runner I would prefer not to. I would prefer test S and do a short cycle but I can't find a reliable source for it. I don't look forward to the first few pins but oh well.

Once again thanks for the input ahead of time.
 
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Cycle looks very good. Start your aromasin a little lower tho like 6.25 and bump it if needed. Also run it all the way through your post cycle therapy (pct). It will help in recovery. And you said it yourself, you're small. You can continue running but if you want to grow you need to eat and eat alot. Especially since you run, you need to eat enough to make up for those cals you burn while running plus an extra 500 cals above maintenance so you can grow. Once you gain, eat more.
 
Thanks,

Glad you approve of this one more then my last one. I see most people who are trying to bulk up aim for 4000-4500 cals a day but since I am only trying to put on 10-15 I was thinking about 3000-3500 a day if I start to put on a good amount of fat I can easily start cutting down until I find whats good for me.

I will try the aroma at 6.25 and see how it goes. I will have to order a new bottle before I start that way if I have to bump it to 12.5 I have enough to last me through my post cycle therapy (pct). Thanks for the advice.
 
10-15lbs i put on in weeks natural, with good food and heavy weight imo you dont need gear for that but good luck bro.
 
Ah I just saw you're doing prop. You need to inject eod to keep blood levels stable due to the short ester. Also start pct 3 days after last prop injection not 2 weeks.
 
Colt: I forgot a about prop being the shorter ester, I will just switch it to 100mg EOD, and start the PCT 3 days after.

Mr. Spoon: I have tried for awhile now to gain weight, Focused on a good diet and I have been aiming for low reps with high weight but the weight just isn't coming.
 
colt...why are you always recommending aromasin at 6.25? lol

op....your not little....your diet is little. It should be easy for you to grow...shit I have to eat 4-4500k cals a day just to put on a couple pounds. You should be able to get to 200 no problem with the right diet

We dont buy excuses here
 
It looks great - it's nice to see you've done your homework.

Just follow my good friend Cobras advise on the diet and you should grow just fine.

I would hang on to the tren for an upcoming cycle - and would not sell it.

You really don't need to run the Aromasin right out of the gate - I would have it on hand for this cycle and use it only if estrogen becomes an issue ... "until SERM."

I would run Aromasin everyday "during" SERM treatment - I'm blasting and so I'll refer to THE-DET-OAKS advise and recommend 25 mg of Aromasin ed during SERM treatment.

Also - you can start your SERM 5-7 days after your last injection of prop - no need to wait to weeks for prop.

Stopping hCH 4 days before starting SERM is perfect. :)
 
Cobra: I could put on the weight pretty easy if I would cut back or stop running all together. But to me my running is just as important as Putting on a little bit more weight. On a running day I will hit the gym around 1630 after work and about 1930 hit the road to do 10-12 miles which easily burns 1,000 cals so 4 times a week I have to try for 4000-4500 cals. And once every 2 weeks a 40k which means no gym that day so Around the same amount of cals.

As far as the aroma I will start at 6.25 and go from there till I find out what works for my body. If I do 6.25 the entire cycle and see no issues the next cycle I might just save it in case I needed it.


Thanks for all the advice guys.
 
Grubba said:
Cobra: I could put on the weight pretty easy if I would cut back or stop running all together. But to me my running is just as important as Putting on a little bit more weight. On a running day I will hit the gym around 1630 after work and about 1930 hit the road to do 10-12 miles which easily burns 1,000 cals so 4 times a week I have to try for 4000-4500 cals. And once every 2 weeks a 40k which means no gym that day so Around the same amount of cals.

As far as the aroma I will start at 6.25 and go from there till I find out what works for my body. If I do 6.25 the entire cycle and see no issues the next cycle I might just save it in case I needed it.

Thanks for all the advice guys.
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It sounds like running is more important to you then gaining weight....its fine if you want to run but if it means as much as gaining weight you would focus on your diet more....don't try to argue bro....that shit wont fly here...

And FYI the way to take an Aromatase inhibitor (AI) is not to gauge its effectiveness on wether or not you see signs of gyno but rather on your true estrogen levels found only from getting your blood work. Lots of guys can have high estro without gyno

And if u are a marathon runner then stay away from tren...you won't be running very far
 
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since this is the first cycle and you do so much cardio and all that you dont know if you are gonna need the arom. i would hold it if i was you specially for the first week till the test start kicking in.
 
mr.spoon said:
im not on roids all year round you fuking fool, i eat like a fukin bull 10lbs for me is bs with or with out gear, stop bringin shit from a diff thread into another one, get off my fukin nuts.
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Dude please dont rage out on a forum because you speak perpetual nonsense lol
 
Cobra Strike said:
colt...why are you always recommending aromasin at 6.25? lol

op....your not little....your diet is little. It should be easy for you to grow...shit I have to eat 4-4500k cals a day just to put on a couple pounds. You should be able to get to 200 no problem with the right diet

We dont buy excuses here
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Hey mister fuckin cobra hahahaha cuz I know 12.5 crashed my estro HARD this last cycle and I wanted to go on a shooting rampage. Since then I've been recommending 6.25-12.5 depending on the cycle, cycle history, blah blah blah. Plus I think it's Better to have to tirate then taper to find the right dose, as far as sides go. Personally I'd rather have higher estro sides then crashed estro sides. It's like this for me personally, high estro I still have libido, I might be a little emotional but it's controllable. Low estro, I have no libido, tired and lethargic, super emotional and I want to rip everybody's head off including my own. But that's just me!
 
coltmc45 said:
Hey mister fuckin cobra hahahaha cuz I know 12.5 crashed my estro HARD this last cycle and I wanted to go on a shooting rampage. Since then I've been recommending 6.25-12.5 depending on the cycle, cycle history, blah blah blah. Plus I think it's Better to have to tirate then taper to find the right dose, as far as sides go. Personally I'd rather have higher estro sides then crashed estro sides. It's like this for me personally, high estro I still have libido, I might be a little emotional but it's controllable. Low estro, I have no libido, tired and lethargic, super emotional and I want to rip everybody's head off including my own. But that's just me!
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Easy killer!

That just goes to show that everyone reacts differently to things....I don't think most people are that sensitive to aromasin as its the weaker of the 3 anti estrogens...but fair enough
 
Cobra Strike said:
Easy killer!

That just goes to show that everyone reacts differently to things....I don't think most people are that sensitive to aromasin as its the weaker of the 3 anti estrogens...but fair enough
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well put cobra, everyone needs to be reminded that results and sides can be way different depending on the person.
 
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