What is a "effective" TT on a cycle?

[halfape211]

My body does not respond to Test, etc., the same way as most. So although I might take the usual 500mg of test on a cycle, I kind of doubt I would get the same TT or response from the T, as most would. Anyone care to share their TT numbers on cycle or blast, or whatever the correct term might be? and the amount of test taken? I will get blood test in about 6 weeks to see what 500mg of test only (plus AI and HCG of course) does to me. My concern is that 500mg of test might only give the same results as others taking only 300mg of cyp test. So I need a TT range to know I'm doing this effectively. I don't have much knowledge on taking supraphysiological amounts of Testosterone. Anything would help, peak or trough or median, point me to some info.., whatever. Whatever you can do would be a help.

For those in this part of the forum that don't know me: I'm 65, been weight training 10 years; Running 5-10 miles every couple days (in the top 10% in my age group); TRT for couple years; 25% BF; was taking 300+ of test cyp to get to 1200TT. I take 700 iu HCG/wk, 1.5 to 2 mg of AI/week; Zink and DHEA daily, 1 or 2 IU of HGH daily. Just started 500mg of cyp a few weeks ago and already feel stronger. BTW at 600-800TT I have poor strength and mental cognition.

So what's the magic numbers? lol.

 

[Low dose PCT]

2700-3000 is good. Do not take more because your heart can be enlarged.

 

[halfwit]

2700-3000 is good. Do not take more because your heart can be enlarged.

Oh man, please don't spread misinformation. Left ventricular hypertrophy does NOT have any direct correlation with AAS. Heart disease is the number one killer, and the fact that men are proportionately at a higher risk has led to this conclusion. Yes, the heart is a muscle, yes AAS can induce hypertrophy at a greater rate - but let's not go and scream that the sky is falling just yet.

It's great to keep tabs on your health; it should be priority number one, but unless you know a person's specific biological markers, let's just agree that it's a risk that one should be aware of.

Halfape: There really isn't a specific value that brings you to Sparta wielding Thor's hammer to be honest. I require substantially more test than most guys, and I've taken things as high as over 10,000ng/dL, yet honestly couldn't tell you the significance beyond having more side effect prevention to contend with.

500mg is a great place to start, and I often run just a little higher, but stack other compounds in the mix. After this blast, I'd entertain adding nandrolone or perhaps an oral and see how you respond.

My .02c

 

[Milton]

Always best to listen to Halwit with over 12,000 post and a highly informed contributing member and a pillar of our community than from a member with only 8 post.

 

[Low dose PCT]

Oh man, please don't spread misinformation. Left ventricular hypertrophy does NOT have any direct correlation with AAS. Heart disease is the number one killer, and the fact that men are proportionately at a higher risk has led to this conclusion. Yes, the heart is a muscle, yes AAS can induce hypertrophy at a greater rate - but let's not go and scream that the sky is falling just yet.

It's great to keep tabs on your health; it should be priority number one, but unless you know a person's specific biological markers, let's just agree that it's a risk that one should be aware of.

Halfape: There really isn't a specific value that brings you to Sparta wielding Thor's hammer to be honest. I require substantially more test than most guys, and I've taken things as high as over 10,000ng/dL, yet honestly couldn't tell you the significance beyond having more side effect prevention to contend with.

500mg is a great place to start, and I often run just a little higher, but stack other compounds in the mix. After this blast, I'd entertain adding nandrolone or perhaps an oral and see how you respond.

My .02c

Lemme tell you something. You want to BELIEVE that left ventricular hypertrophy does NOT have any direct correlation with AAS but it is not truth.

Every steroid user want to believe that steroids are not dangerous because they want to use them.

I'm sure if you take 5000 mg test a week for 6 months, your heart will be enlarged. Oh, wait, left ventricular hypertrophy does NOT have any direct correlation with AAS? LMFAO!

 

[Milton]

Lemme tell you something. You want to BELIEVE that left ventricular hypertrophy does NOT have any direct correlation with AAS but it is not truth.

Every steroid user want to believe that steroids are not dangerous because they want to use them.

I'm sure if you take 5000 mg test a week for 6 months, your heart will be enlarged. Oh, wait, left ventricular hypertrophy does NOT have any direct correlation with AAS? LMFAO!

so here we go again with another troll.

 

[Low dose PCT]

so here we go again with another troll.

***Respect our members here or go elsewhere****

 

[halfwit]

Lemme tell you something. You want to BELIEVE that left ventricular hypertrophy does NOT have any direct correlation with AAS but it is not truth.

Every steroid user want to believe that steroids are not dangerous because they want to use them.

I'm sure if you take 5000 mg test a week for 6 months, your heart will be enlarged. Oh, wait, left ventricular hypertrophy does NOT have any direct correlation with AAS? LMFAO!

Young sir, I've taken doses of AAS far in excess of what 5g of testosterone can do and my tests come back better than a 20 year old.

I have spent more time reading about the science behind this stuff than most because I wanted to make sure that I was completely aware of any risks that needed to be considered.

Please point me in the direction of a peer reviewed study in which healthy men are provided 5 grams of testosterone for six months, and the resulting LVH being evident.

The vast majority of studies done with AAS are on hypogonadal males or patients with wasting diseases. Most studies regarding heart disease are on a broader scope, but many correlations (and conclusions) are drawn because of coincidental factors.

Did you know there was a study not too long ago indicating fish oil was linked to colon cancer? How about prostate cancer being linked to androgens; specifically DHT?

Both have been debunked.

While LVH is a concern, don't for a second think that you can hop on here and warn others as if it's a certainty. But of course, you still have a great deal of growing up to do, and knee jerk reactions are how you get attention.

If you ever decide that you want to put on the grown up pants and have a civil discussion on a point in which we're in disagreement, I will be more than happy to oblige.

 

[halfape211]

***Respect our members here or go elsewhere****

Look Low Dose PCT AKA "asswipe". Please take a hike. Get off my thread. Go highjack someone else's if you want, but I'm seriously trying to learn something here. I'm not trying to learn about AAS and the heart right now and whatever nonsense, bull shit you want to get into. Got it???

 

[halfape211]

Oh man, please don't spread misinformation. Left ventricular hypertrophy does NOT have any direct correlation with AAS. Heart disease is the number one killer, and the fact that men are proportionately at a higher risk has led to this conclusion. Yes, the heart is a muscle, yes AAS can induce hypertrophy at a greater rate - but let's not go and scream that the sky is falling just yet.

It's great to keep tabs on your health; it should be priority number one, but unless you know a person's specific biological markers, let's just agree that it's a risk that one should be aware of.

Halfape: There really isn't a specific value that brings you to Sparta wielding Thor's hammer to be honest. I require substantially more test than most guys, and I've taken things as high as over 10,000ng/dL, yet honestly couldn't tell you the significance beyond having more side effect prevention to contend with.

500mg is a great place to start, and I often run just a little higher, but stack other compounds in the mix. After this blast, I'd entertain adding nandrolone or perhaps an oral and see how you respond.

My .02c

That damn Thor!!! Thor won't tell me what the magic number is either!! lol Actually, I'm totally green on what sort of range guys usually get into with a blast. I don't really need the exact magic number. I'm just looking for a rough range to shoot for if I went by TT rather than dose of T. So any help at least gives me idea. There should be a few guys that do blood tests on a blast and I'll take whatever info I can get. BTW 10,000 is a nice round number, lol, but I'll wait til I learn more.

 

[halfwit]

2k-2.5k is typical for smaller blasts around 500mg.
3.2k-4.5k at around a gram, give or take.
It took me almost 2.5g to break 10k, but like you - I simply require more.

I run labs before, during, and after each blast if that helps.

 

[oldmusclemike]

Lemme tell you something. You want to BELIEVE that left ventricular hypertrophy does NOT have any direct correlation with AAS but it is not truth.

Every steroid user want to believe that steroids are not dangerous because they want to use them.

I'm sure if you take 5000 mg test a week for 6 months, your heart will be enlarged. Oh, wait, left ventricular hypertrophy does NOT have any direct correlation with AAS? LMFAO!

Bullshit IMOP. I'm 65 years old and have been using AAS since the 80's. I have done doses up to 1,800 mg week. Many cycles of 1000-1200 mgs test stacked with 2 others in excess of 600 - 800mgs.

I have had labs done when my TT was 7,434 ng/dL , 3300, 2450 etc. I have had Estrogen levels too high to mention , not done intentionally. I have crashed my E2 all this quite some time ago and I have managed through. I have made in the past, many mistakes coming from back in the day.

I have had Sub-acute bacterial endocarditis back in 84' ( almost lost a valve) and I have a clean bill of health with my heart. Just in the past few years I've been involved in high dose test and Tren.


MY heart is not enlarged and I have NO heart problems with recent examinations been done.

 

[oldmusclemike]

Hi OP and welcome to the board

Oldmusclemike here and I'm 65. Please go over to my thread " Who are our members over 65 years of age " and sign in. Tell us a little history

As halfwit said and our forum gives reference on Beginners cycles that 500mgs is a real good staring point.

 

[halfape211]

Bullshit IMOP. I'm 65 years old and have been using AAS since the 80's. I have done doses up to 1,800 mg week. Many cycles of 1000-1200 mgs test stacked with 2 others in excess of 600 - 800mgs.

I have had labs done when my TT was 7,434 ng/dL , 3300, 2450 etc. I have had Estrogen levels too high to mention , not done intentionally. I have crashed my E2 all this quite some time ago and I have managed through. I have made in the past, many mistakes coming from back in the day.

Just in the past few years I've been involved in high dose test and Tren.


MY heart is not enlarged and I have NO heart problems with recent examinations been done.

I've been around on the TRT board quite a bit, so I'm looking to get some knowledge about with how to blast and cycle, from this board. The heart topic is a non issue. I'm just looking to looking to find out what kind of Total Testosterone numbers I should be looking for if I'm on a cycle or blast. I have started at 500 mg/wk a few weeks ago, but I do not yet know if the TT numbers amount to anything. It takes a lot of TT to effect me. And I thought it would be more advantageous to use TT as my guide(or goal) and not a dose amount of 500mg, or 800mg or 1000mg. I'm seeing there is quite a range of 2450 - 7434 with you. Halfwit has been up to 10,000. Thanks to you guys, I'm getting a feel for what to go for. I guess I'll run 500mg/wk to 600mg/wk of test only, for another 8 weeks (about 10-12 total weeks). I wont get a chance to check blood until about another 4 weeks and I'll post it. After the blood test, I may add some Nandrolone which I guess is known as Deca.

Anyone else want to throw in their TT numbers, etc., on any kind of cycle??

 

[Teutonic]

2700-3000 is good. Do not take more because your heart can be enlarged.

You little prick.

Strike 1 for stating a wide misconception of propagandized media bolstered crap as fact.
2 for disrespecting a serious vet --HW

Please say 1 more thing that shows ur post s IQ AND age are the same.

Mine s been dbl that for a time longer than I ll admit...look how good I turned out lol..my gregariousness is getting shorter with u types.

 

[halfape211]

Mine s been dbl that for a time longer than I ll admit...look how good I turned out lol..my gregariousness is getting shorter with u types.

Very informative. Looks like something is working for you. I know two short guys that take the same amount of T dose every week, endlessly. One is on 500mg + winstrel and he's shredded, very muscular, but only in snug clothing could you tell he had lots of muscle. The other guy is on 1000mg (so one vial) a week and he's huge but not defined. I mean you just look at him and he looks like the hulk. Big muscles but some fat covering those muscle. So maybe the 1000mg/week gets a person bigger, as it should if genetics were equal.

 

[Low dose PCT]

We have a member who has enlarged heart. His name is Shovel.

He used 2 gr of Testosterone !

steroidology.com/forum/members/shovel.html

 

[carverelli]

I have a slightly enlarged heart lvh. It stemmed from a leaking heart valve that has since been replaced 2012. I don't get crazy with dosage of aas but I do blast and cruise. Yes, I get bloods done when I need to and have periodic checkups with my cardiac surgeon for a bigger than average aorta. echocardiograms show reduced ejection fraction but since valve replacement things are very stable.


So my take is yes, there are risks involved with aas. Know what they are and use discretion with dosages. Get bloods done periodically and take time off to let your body heal itself

 

[halfape211]

I have a slightly enlarged heart lvh. It stemmed from a leaking heart valve that has since been replaced 2012. I don't get crazy with dosage of aas but I do blast and cruise. Yes, I get bloods done when I need to and have periodic checkups with my cardiac surgeon for a bigger than average aorta. echocardiograms show reduced ejection fraction but since valve replacement things are very stable.


So my take is yes, there are risks involved with aas. Know what they are and use discretion with dosages. Get bloods done periodically and take time off to let your body heal itself

Thanks Carverelli. Hope you are OK. There are risks. Luckily I don't have a leaking heart valve. One could easily see how the heart would have to work harder to make up for the leak. Do you mind sharing your TT numbers or your dose when on blast?

 

[halfape211]

We have a member who has enlarged heart. His name is Shovel.

He used 2 gr of Testosterone !

steroidology.com/forum/members/shovel.html

Good for you buddy. NOW GO START YOUR OWN THREAD. If people are interested they will get involved. I'm just not interested.