What is a good testosterone testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) dose? Well above what a doc would recommend

[NativeTX]

Here's the test that is often used to discern where you're at and has been cited a often as a means of indication:

• You have a blood test that (baseline) yields a healthy LH/FSH from your pituitary gland, yet you have low testosterone. That is primary.
• You have a blood test (baseline) that yields a low LH/FSH and low testosterone. That is secondary.

There are several different parts of the HPTA that can yield a secondary prognosis (I'm not a doctor either, but I researched the heck out of this stuff when I found out I was primary.) such as a wonky pituitary gland, a tumor, another gland such as the adrenals or hypothalamus causing interference or even a brain tumor. In fact, I was reading how even the pancreas can cause hypogonadism, which in turn can trigger diabetes! It does happen to be the most common form of hypogonadism as there are far more possible culprits at play.

Primary hypogonadism can be caused by trauma, drug abuse (or prescription meds in my case), varicoceles, leydig cellular death/mutation, birth defects (as Austinite mentioned is fairly rare), and many other causes. The reason why a restart isn't really practical for a primary person is that a restart depends on waking that pituitary gland back up and getting a healthy LH signal to those leydig cells. If your testes aren't working anymore, you could dump 40IU of LH to them, and they'd still yawn in boredom. That's why I always push to have LH/FSH checked with guys that just got a low T verdict from their doc as many doctors don't even check for this.

AAS abuse/use can cause either of these; it just matters where along the HPTA the damage occurs.

Edit: My daughter was conceived with me having 120ng/dL total test levels by the way. Those swimmers are pretty determined little buggers.

Let me be clear. I am not primary. I have restarted my HPTA once from a total shutdown....my level was at 100 and I was miserable but DR. Scally and others helped get me back. I still did not feel like I should have though. Most testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) clinics I spoke to about a restart said that they could do it. But, they wouldn't because, even if they got me to 600, their goal would be to have me at 800-1100 which is considered peak. I went on with my restart and it was successful and painful. I didn't feel great months after, eventhough sex drive and work out work were good...not great compared to being on...of course. I did another "weak" cycle 400mg of test for 12 weeks. I did proper PCT and test (600 normal for 41) and LH and FSH were all good. So, I have started my next cycle. I have come to the realization that I feel and live life best at 1000-1200, and I have to be on testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) to do that. However, I want to maintain autonomy and be able to get off when I decide to like I have in the past. I plan on only taking slightly above a testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) dose of 200mg which is 300-350 and not the 600-750 which I have done in the past on cycle and experienced sides.

I wanted to hear from others who have been on testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) but want to do a bit more.

I have testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) prescribed, I do not want to do 500-1000 mg and go into a testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) dose after a blast, I just want to find out how many mgs will put me at my desired level 1000-1200 which is probably about a testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) dose.

I am on cycle and I am on 500IUs of Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG). This will keep my gonads running...look great, but clomid and tamoxifen will ensure a restart when I decided to get off. Keep in mind...I am probably running 300 or 350mg...nothing big that will shut me down hard or a 19 nor

 

[halfwit]

Let me be clear. I am not primary. I have restarted my HPTA once from a total shutdown....my level was at 100 and I was miserable but DR. Scally and others helped get me back. I still did not feel like I should have though. Most testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) clinics I spoke to about a restart said that they could do it. But, they wouldn't because, even if they got me to 600, their goal would be to have me at 800-1100 which is considered peak. I went on with my restart and it was successful and painful. I didn't feel great months after, eventhough sex drive and work out work were good...not great compared to being on...of course. I did another "weak" cycle 400mg of test for 12 weeks. I did proper PCT and test (600 normal for 41) and LH and FSH were all good. So, I have started my next cycle. I have come to the realization that I feel and live life best at 1000-1200, and I have to be on testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) to do that. However, I want to maintain autonomy and be able to get off when I decide to like I have in the past. I plan on only taking slightly above a testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) dose of 200mg which is 300-350 and not the 600-750 which I have done in the past on cycle and experienced sides.

I wanted to hear from others who have been on testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) but want to do a bit more.

I have testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) prescribed, I do not want to do 500-1000 mg and go into a testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) dose after a blast, I just want to find out how many mgs will put me at my desired level 1000-1200 which is probably about a testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) dose.

I am on cycle and I am on 500IUs of Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG). This will keep my gonads running...look great, but clomid and tamoxifen will ensure a restart when I decided to get off. Keep in mind...I am probably running 300 or 350mg...nothing big that will shut me down hard or a 19 nor

The answer is simple then:

Everyone's Different~
Sorry, I had to get that out of my system even though it's true.

What gives you 1000ng/dL might give me 400ng/dL and might give Austinite 2000ng/dL. Everyone metabolizes the hormone differently and there are truly many different variables that can effect the values in your blood. You're honestly going to have to do what many other testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) patients do and experiment (read: Dialing in) with your dose. Take small steps and get a private blood test every 4 weeks. Checking your E2 in the process of course is a huge part of this, but I'm sure you know that.

Once you find a dose that brings you to your desired threshold, retest it again at that level in another 6-8 weeks and see if they maintain at that level. If they are, just do a simple retest of all hormones and other important biological markers every 6 months. If you want to blast, just take note of where you were prior to the blast and have at it. That's honestly the closest you're going to get to "real TRT" in my eyes.

350mg/wk is pushing you substantially over 1000ng/dL by the way. Unless you're bigger than I am or are a hyper excreter, you're probably looking at 2kng/dL with that dose FYI.

My .02c

 

[NativeTX]

The answer is simple then:

Everyone's Different~
Sorry, I had to get that out of my system even though it's true.

What gives you 1000ng/dL might give me 400ng/dL and might give Austinite 2000ng/dL. Everyone metabolizes the hormone differently and there are truly many different variables that can effect the values in your blood. You're honestly going to have to do what many other testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) patients do and experiment (read: Dialing in) with your dose. Take small steps and get a private blood test every 4 weeks. Checking your E2 in the process of course is a huge part of this, but I'm sure you know that.

Once you find a dose that brings you to your desired threshold, retest it again at that level in another 6-8 weeks and see if they maintain at that level. If they are, just do a simple retest of all hormones and other important biological markers every 6 months. If you want to blast, just take note of where you were prior to the blast and have at it. That's honestly the closest you're going to get to "real TRT" in my eyes.

350mg/wk is pushing you substantially over 1000ng/dL by the way. Unless you're bigger than I am or are a hyper excreter, you're probably looking at 2kng/dL with that dose FYI.

My .02c

Thanks, Halfwit! I will go down to 300mg per week and go down to 250, if that does not work. I don't want to be substiantially over 1000. I get my blood work done at least every 4 weeks. So, I will know soon and find my Estradiol level as well. I have a very active sex life, and I am trying to keep that optimal as well as working out and physique.

 

[NativeTX]

You are right! Everyone is different. That's while I'll be getting my bloodwork soon

 

[Optimal]

Well as halfwit already pointed out, everyone will be a bit different but for discussion sake I will point out two "public" examples I know of
- Noah Thomas from youtube was put on 200mg/wk (pharma) and his results came back at just over 1400ng/dl. He's now at 180 and it puts him right around the very upper range.
- Marc Lobliner cruises on 250mg/wk + GH. Considering how huge his physique is, that must be putting him quite a bit above normal ranges. That being said, he also has great genetics for size, his brother is pretty damn big for a natural.