When exactly should I pin my 250ui Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) ?

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When exactly should I pin my 250ui HCG ?

Hi guys,

I'm running now Test E only cycle at 500mg 2x a week with Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) 250 ui 2x a week. I already pinned my first 250mg Test E yesterday and today I pinned 250ui Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) sub-q.
I just want to make sure of it from your opinions. When exactly should i pin my 250 ui Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) ?
- Right after my Test E pin
- after 24 hours.
- after 48 hours.

Thanks alot
 
i don't think it really matters man. its all gonna level out anyways. just pick a schedule that works for you and stick with it.

PS. some guys dont suggest Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) on cycle. im certainly not opposed to it, but havnt tried it myself. only blast at the end
 
Thanks gettin for your opinion. I already made my schedule to pin it the day after Test injection but also heard some says it may affect Testosterone levels in a matter of time.

You should read about using it during the cycle too. I'm a newbie and this is my first cycle so you must know more about it. I did alot of research about that and I read horror stories about using Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) in high doses.

Still looking for more opinions..
 
i dont cycle yet but do testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) of only 120mg of test per wek. Started without HCG and about week 4/5 nuts began to shrink to pellets. Doc added 300iu HCG injected in same syringe as test injection and a few weeks later was almost back to normal. So from an aesthetic aspect it seems preferred during entire cycle. i know everyone reacts differently though but thats me.
 
I always just pin mine the same time as my test enth, twice a week.
Same thing I did until discovering my nuts aren't coming back and I didn't have a need to continue HCG. It was always easier for me to pin both at the same time and I never noticed a difference doing it differently.
 
Same thing I did until discovering my nuts aren't coming back and I didn't have a need to continue HCG. It was always easier for me to pin both at the same time and I never noticed a difference doing it differently.

How do you know they are not gonna shrink when cycling ? or you mean they are not coming back to their normal size ?

I did it after 24 hrs and I see my nuts are abit smaller. Shouldn't they shrink at all during HCG on-cycle ?
 
How do you know they are not gonna shrink when cycling ? or you mean they are not coming back to their normal size ?

I did it after 24 hrs and I see my nuts are abit smaller. Shouldn't they shrink at all during Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) on-cycle ?
I meant that my nuts were not coming back to a properly functioning level. And they will fluxuate in size while on HCG, although it should not be significant.
 
Dr. Crissler's recommendations regarding Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) are that it's best admins termed twice weekly, at 250-350iu, 2days prior and the day immediately prior to the TRT dose.

Dr. Crissler said:
In my paper ?My Current Best Thoughts on How to Administer TRT for Men?, published in A4M?s 2004/5 anti-aging Clinical Protocols, I introduced a new protocol where small doses of Human Chorionic Gonadotrophin (HCG) are regularly added to traditional TRT (either weekly IM testosterone cypionate or daily cream/gel). The reasons and benefits of this protocol are as follows, along with a new improvement I wish to share:

Any physician who administers TRT will, within the first few months of doing so, field complaints from their patients because they are now experiencing troubling testicular atrophy. Irrespective of the numerous and abundant benefits of testosterone replacement therapy (TRT), men never enjoy seeing their genitals shrinking! Testicular atrophy occurs because the depressed LH level, secondary to the HPTA suppression TRT induces, no longer supports them. It is well known that HCG?a Luteinizing Hormone (LH) analog?will effectively, and dramatically, restore the testicles to previous form and function. It accomplishes this due to shared moiety between the alpha subunits of both hormones.

So, that satisfies an aesthetic consideration which should not be ignored. Now let?s delve into the pharmacodynamics of the TRT medications. For those employing injectable
testosterone cypionate, the cypionate ester provides a 5-8 day half-life, depending upon the specific metabolism, activity level, and overall health of the patient. It is now well-established that appropriate TRT using IM injections must be dosed at weekly intervals, in order to avoid seating the patient on a hormonal, and emotional, roller coaster. Adding in some Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) toward the end of the weekly ?cycle? compensates for the drop in serum androgen levels by the half-life of the cypionate ester. Certainly the body thrives on regularity, and supplementing the TRT with endogenous testosterone production at just the right time?without inappropriately raising androgen OR estrogen (more on that later)?approximates the excellent performance stability of transdermal testosterone delivery systems for those who, for whatever reason or reasons, prefer test cyp.

But there?s another metabolic reason to employ this protocol. The P450 Side Chain Cleavage enzyme, which converts CHOL into pregnenolone at the initiation of all three metabolic pathways CHOL serves as precursor (the sex hormones, glucocorticoids and mineralcorticoids), is actively stimulated, or depressed, by LH concentrations. It is intuitively consistent that during conditions of lowered testosterone levels, commensurate increases in LH production would serve to stimulate this conversion from CHOL into these pathways, thereby feeding more raw material for increased hormone production. And vice versa. Thus the addition of Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) (which also stimulates the P450scc enzyme) helps restore a more natural balance of the hormones within this pathway in patients who are entirely, or even partially, HPTA-suppressed.

It is important that no more than 500IU of Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) be administered on any given day. There is only just so much stimulation possible, and exceeding that not only is wasteful, doing so has important negative consequences. Higher doses overly stimulate testicular aromatase, which inappropriately raises estrogen levels, and brings on the detrimental effects of same. It also causes Leydig cell desentization to LH, and we are therefore inducing primary hypogonadism while perhaps treating secondary hypogonadism. 250IU QD is an effective, and safe, dose. After all, we are merely replacing that which is lost to inhibition.

In my previous report I recommended 250IU of Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) twice per week for all TRT patients, taken the day of, along with the day before, the weekly test cyp injection. After looking at countless lab printouts, listening to subjective reports from patients, and learning more about HCG, I am now shifting that regimen forward one day. In other words, my test cyp TRT patients now take their Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) at 250IU two days before, as well as the day immediately previous to, their IM shot. All administer their Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) subcutaneously, and dosage may be adjusted as necessary (I have yet to see more than 350IU per dose required).

I made this change after realizing that the previous Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) protocol was boosting serum testosterone levels too much, as the test cyp serum concentrations rise, approaching its peak at roughly the 72 hour mark. The original goal of supporting serum androgen levels with Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) had overshot its mark.

Those TRT patients who prefer a transdermal testosterone, or even testosterone pellets (although I am not in favor of same), take their Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) every third day. They neednâ***8364;***8482;t concern themselves with diminishing serum androgen levels from their testosterone delivery system. These patients will, of course, notice an increase in serum androgen levels above baseline.

While HCG, as sole testosterone replacement therapy (TRT), is still considered treatment of choice for hypogonadotrophic hypogonadism by many , my experience is that it just does not bring the same subjective benefits as pure testosterone delivery systems do?even when similar serum androgen levels are produced from comparable baseline values. However, supplementing the more ?traditional? TRT of transdermal, or injected, testosterone with Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) stabilizes serum levels, prevents testicular atrophy, helps rebalance expression of other hormones, and brings reports of greatly increased sense of well-being and libido. My patients absolutely love it. As time goes on, we are coming to appreciate Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) as a much more powerful--and wonderful--hormone than previously given credit.
 
Dr. Crissler's recommendations regarding Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) are that it's best admins termed twice weekly, at 250-350iu, 2days prior and the day immediately prior to the testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) dose.
This seems to make sense, but he also is speaking in terms of injecting 1x pw as opposed to 2x pw. I personally inject 2x pw specifically due to what he is speaking about.
 
This seems to make sense, but he also is speaking in terms of injecting 1x pw as opposed to 2x pw. I personally inject 2x pw specifically due to what he is speaking about.

True and when doing testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) doses of test and Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) I'd rather just combine them in one slin pin for twice a week pins. Makes it much easier than timing out 2 days later for each one. Not worth the hassle imo.
 
If you're using "maintenance" doses of testosterone, you can strategically time your hCG dose to prevent dips in serum. However, for large "Cycle" type doses, timing is not relevant.
 
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