Whose Running Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) on TRT

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Whose Running HCG on TRT

Hi Guys

I'm wondering how many on testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) are using Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) and what what their doses are and if everyone using some sort of AI?

My doc had me on 500iu's 2x a week and I am going down to 250 2x's a week to see if it helps me, I believe it's giving me an estrogen spike and it's screwing me up.

I'm on 150mg test cyp every 5 days
.25mcg arimidex M, W, F
and now 250iu's Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) Sat & Sun

Any thoughts on my program? I've been having difficulty keeping "hard" during sex without help from cialis, etc. I had been using the 500iu's of Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) 2x a week but I was actually running it every 5 days not every 7 so I was actually over 1000ius' per week. I wanted to inject the test every 5 days in order to prevent any roller coaster ride emotionally and had been using the Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) the two days before injection, so I think I was screwing up my estrogen with way too much HCG.
 
It is possible that estrogen spike is the issue. Some guys react to smaller peaks and troughs, while others do not, meaning it does not bother them.

It would be nice if you could spread out your Aromatase inhibitor (AI) dose more evenly. What is your E2 when tested while on therapy?
 
What a great thread!! This is the the type of basic, remedial shit that so many guys struggle with. First off, if you are not using hcg and an Aromatase inhibitor (AI), then it aint HRT. That being said, yes, 500iu may be to high of a dose for you. I'm 270lbs, 10-11.5% BF, depending on how much pizza i eat that month!!!.... and 500iu hits me like a freight train! I can literally feel my estrogen levels spike within hours, i will get emotional about stupid shit, and blow up with water. My question for you, is... how long have you been running an AI? If the unit is "revolting" you could have possibly dropped ur estrogen to low and need it to rebound a bit. Also, you are running your hcg the wrong way. Its no wonder you are feeling fucked up running it on consecutive days. Take your 250iu twice weekly, the day after each of your test injections. Try backing off the Aromatase inhibitor (AI) altogether for one week. The dick should be back at "full mast" and you'll be HAMSTERING your babe like a pornstar! YOU CAN THANK ME WITH A CHRISTMAS CARD. LOL
 
I run 150iu's ED.
When I tried the higher dose 2x/ week it was not as good a lower constant dose.

Balls are plump and full of cum, so my dose is working for me.
 
CHIP WADOWSKI said:
What a great thread!! This is the the type of basic, remedial shit that so many guys struggle with. First off, if you are not using hcg and an Aromatase inhibitor (AI), then it aint HRT. That being said, yes, 500iu may be to high of a dose for you. I'm 270lbs, 10-11.5% BF, depending on how much pizza i eat that month!!!.... and 500iu hits me like a freight train! I can literally feel my estrogen levels spike within hours, i will get emotional about stupid shit, and blow up with water. My question for you, is... how long have you been running an AI? If the unit is "revolting" you could have possibly dropped ur estrogen to low and need it to rebound a bit. Also, you are running your hcg the wrong way. Its no wonder you are feeling fucked up running it on consecutive days. Take your 250iu twice weekly, the day after each of your test injections. Try backing off the Aromatase inhibitor (AI) altogether for one week. The dick should be back at "full mast" and you'll be HAMSTERING your babe like a pornstar! YOU CAN THANK ME WITH A CHRISTMAS CARD. LOL
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lol I love this guy
 
You are absolutely right, I get all emotional over retarded shit!

Okay, I have been running the Aromatase inhibitor (AI) for a month now. So if I'm injecting test every 5 days I should take the 250iu's of hcg the day after the shot, so on day 6 and day 11.. .right?

I'll stop the Aromatase inhibitor (AI) for a week and see what happens, I had the doc put me on Aromatase inhibitor (AI) because I knew I was heavy on estrogen, I could feel it big time! I always feel the best until I inject the HCG then I get all emotional.
 
My total estrogens were 80ish, they said they screwed up and couldn't break out the E2 so I need another test now. The doc said it's usually 70/30, so 30% E2 would put it around 25?? How long after you inject HCG does it effect estrogen and test levels?
 
Thank you guys so much for replying! Centurion, what would you recommend in terms of spreading it out more evenly? I have been taking .5mcg every 3 days and was going to switch to m,w,f... my doc told me to simply take 1mg every Monday. I knew that was wrong so I have been doing research trying to figure out the best way.
 
japmyers said:
You are absolutely right, I get all emotional over retarded shit!

Okay, I have been running the Aromatase inhibitor (AI) for a month now. So if I'm injecting test every 5 days I should take the 250iu's of hcg the day after the shot, so on day 6 and day 11.. .right?

I'll stop the Aromatase inhibitor (AI) for a week and see what happens, I had the doc put me on Aromatase inhibitor (AI) because I knew I was heavy on estrogen, I could feel it big time! I always feel the best until I inject the HCG then I get all emotional.
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HCG has a biphasic pattern. It peaks once initially and again 72 hours later. The second peak in T levels is not as big as the first.

Since a single 200mg injection will peak 24-48 hours later, I would try to get my HCG to peak in the trough of my T shot.

So depending on how many shots of HCG i will be doing I would either do it the day before or 2 before T inject. This is why alot of guys like pinning HCG EOD, it keeps them pumping natty test more evenly.

Your testicles can deliver testosterone to your bloodstream much more efficiently that a Depot. I wonder if this why users get a sense of "well being" feeling on it.
 
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CenturionHRT said:
HCG has a biphasic pattern. It peaks once initially and again 72 hours later. The second peak in T levels is not as big as the first.

Since a single 200mg injection will peak 24-48 hours later, I would try to get my HCG to peak in the trough of my T shot.

So depending on how many shots of HCG i will be doing I would either do it the day before or 2 before T inject. This is why alot of guys like pinning HCG EOD, it keeps them pumping natty test more evenly.

Your testicles can deliver testosterone to your bloodstream much more efficiently that a Depot. I wonder if this why users get a sense of "well being" feeling on it.
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Given this then my method of low dose ED should also keep the balls working, correct?
 
Thanks Centurion! Is there a best time to inject? I like shooting the test before bed... Anyone find that the time of day matters for test or hcg?
 
japmyers said:
Thanks Centurion! Is there a best time to inject? I like shooting the test before bed... Anyone find that the time of day matters for test or hcg?
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I do not find that timing of HCG makes a difference. Others may though so hopefully we hear from them.

I would get my Aromatase inhibitor (AI) dose down to at least EOD schedule. ED is best.
 
CenturionHRT said:
I do not find that timing of HCG makes a difference. Others may though so hopefully we hear from them.

I would get my Aromatase inhibitor (AI) dose down to at least EOD schedule. ED is best.
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Suggesting someone to do an Aromatase inhibitor (AI) everyday is overkill. Adios estrogen. So long libido.
Doing an Aromatase inhibitor (AI) should be based on each individual specific needs. Some guys see faster aromatization than others. Considering the half-life of these agents is first and foremost. You don't want to cause overlapping of doses.
 
dave@maximushrt.com said:
Suggesting someone to do an Aromatase inhibitor (AI) everyday is overkill. Adios estrogen. So long libido.
Doing an Aromatase inhibitor (AI) should be based on each individual specific needs. Some guys see faster aromatization than others. Considering the half-life of these agents is first and foremost. You don't want to cause overlapping of doses.
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This is completely wrong and just not good advice at all. It is a proven fact that no matter what half-life is in reference your blood levels will be more stable the more you dose. what exactly is "overlapping of doses" that is simply and uneducated statement and i would appreciate you not trying to make others look bad unless your sure someone is wrong.

The doc told him to take 1mg once a week. if the doses were broken up to .25mg EOD the total weekly dose would be .875mg, less than the doc told him to take not more.

Just because some guys don't need to worry about keeping the E2 level, doesn't mean others wont notice the effect.
 
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CenturionHRT said:
This is completely wrong and just not good advice at all. It is a proven fact that no matter what half-life is in reference your blood levels will be more stable the more you dose. what exactly is "overlapping of doses" that is simply and uneducated statement and i would appreciate you not trying to make others look bad unless your sure someone is wrong.

The doc told him to take 1mg once a week. if the doses were broken up to .25mg EOD the total weekly dose would be .875mg, less than the doc told him to take not more.

Just because some guys don't need to worry about keeping the E2 level, doesn't mean others wont notice the effect.
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The idea of keeping blood levels stable does not mean dosing AI's every day no matter what the half-life is. Arimidex has a half-life near 72 HOURS. Your targeted dose will be effected by how much you are taking, and how long it takes to clear your system. "OVERLAPPING" refers to somebody taking doses that add up over the targeted dose due to the half- life of the agent. if target dose is 1mg, the ideal dosing for example would 0.5mgs twice a week. Like I stated every one has a unique make up and there is a myriad of dynamics that can dictate how something works or doesn't. I was not referring to the aforementioned individual. The motive of my post was to let the forum know that there is no sure-fire method or protocol. What works for one person does not work for others.
Lab values may show numbers that indicate no issues. But the individual may have them. Trust me its very realistic. I will close with this - in this industry we are only as strong as our weakest link. Don't let your weak link be failure to be open minded and not learn or be educated by people who may know something you don't. Or have things to compliment a post not detract from its sole purpose of helping somebody out. It's totally detrimental to all of us who are owed respect and the time to express their thoughts.
 
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dave@maximushrt.com said:
"OVERLAPPING" refers to somebody taking doses that add up over the targeted dose due to the half- life of the agent. if target dose is 1mg, the ideal dosing for example would 0.5mgs twice a week.
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it is impossible to do this. it doesnt matter if you take 1mg one time or 1mg spread out over 4 times. spreading it out will mean a lower peak than if dosed at 1mg at a time. not the other way around. This mean your E levels will not drop as low. or go as high for that matter.

Im not saying everyone should dose their Aromatase inhibitor (AI) every day. they may only need .5mg a week. then it would be hard to get such a small dose to spread out over that period of time.

Im not saying your not right as far as some people are fine with with dosing AI's 1 x a week or 2x a week. Everyone is different just like Chip says.

But to say that "overlapping" causes more of a dose than your target dose is just not right. sorry.

there is x amount compound and it takes x amount of time to leave your system. that never changes. How you got there does.
 
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