i dont really like long-acting test because it takes 5 weeks to kick in, and thats half the cycle already. so i was wondering why people bother with enanthate or cypionate? i want to use prop, but i want to use the german prop and cant find it at all. i want to go for 10 weeks, and increase my muscle mass and get to 9% BF, coming from 15%. im going to use t3 and arimidex, i was wondering if you guys think i should add in proviron at 50mg or is it not worth it? i used it once but cant tell really how good it was. i used testolent before, good results, but it made me limp, i really dont know why. and that test has the half life close to enanthate. i did 250mg ICN every other day once and i swear, i never got stronger, i didnt really like it. i want to try testoviron depot, but how long does it take to kick in, and if it takes 4-5 weeks, why kill half the cycle?
why use long-acting test?
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panteracfh
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most don't want to do EOD injections for 10 weeks....its pretty much the same thing to add dbol as to use prop for 10 weeks...cause the first 4 weeks your getting results off dbol, then when you stop it, the test has already kicked in and there you go... or you can use prop instead of dbol and kickstart it that way....it all turns out the same...
panteracfh
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if you want to make sure your getting a good start... Frontload, add dbol, and throw the prop in there 
j/k...more isn't always better...but im sure that would be fun to try...
j/k...more isn't always better...but im sure that would be fun to try...
hey guys, im familiar with the dbol kick in, and i will do it, i have the thai dbol, i have used them with very good results. never done a cycle stacked actually. never done a real cycle and hope to do one, the problem is, i want to add muscle mass and reduce my bodyfat by about 6%, i was thinking bulking lean style, like only 200g carbs (150 pounds weight), 250-300g protein, fat from 2 egg yolks, and some flaxseed oil, i dont want to bulk crazy like i did before, i want to reduce bodyfat at the same time. i am 5'5" 155 or so, 15% BF, im always natural, i barely juice, im planning to hit 750mg testex per week and 30mg dbol per day, and .5mg arimidex per day and 25mcg t3 per day up until i drop the dbol after 6 weeks, then i will increase the t3, add in fina, unless i dont do it earlier, and i want to diet down after that. i will be doing carb waves like this: 50,50,50,100,100,100,300, REAPEAT. and do this for a good 8 weeks, so about 14 weeks total. does this sound like a good plan? also, should i use proviron or not because money is kind of an issue, but if it helps, i will use it. i want to keep it simple. test, fina, some dbol, arimidex and t3.
well i can do that, too, but i think i'll just stick to the testex or testoviron depot, with the dbol kick in, and i DO want to add fina at 225mg per week, but i dont know what company to go with, everytime i make my own shit, i end up getting sick and i cant afford to be sick if i work hard and workout hard.
also, how long should i go with the cycle because money is an issue, i wish i only needed to spend like $200-300 for a cycle, but when you have arimidex, and more test, and t3, it all adds up. how do the pros take so much and for so long? is bodybuilding for rich people or what? damn ive been in this game for over 3 years now, i did my first cycle aug 2000, i cant seem to do a cycle right, because im broke and my bodyfat is high, like 15%, i need to bring it down to 9% and i dont know why im juicing to do it, it would look a ton better being ripped than skinny, but if this next cycle doesnt pan out, im just going to run cytomel at a high dose until im lean enough to get on a bulk and gain tons of muscle from muscle memory and alot of juice. thats the only way it looks possible to me.
also, how long should i go with the cycle because money is an issue, i wish i only needed to spend like $200-300 for a cycle, but when you have arimidex, and more test, and t3, it all adds up. how do the pros take so much and for so long? is bodybuilding for rich people or what? damn ive been in this game for over 3 years now, i did my first cycle aug 2000, i cant seem to do a cycle right, because im broke and my bodyfat is high, like 15%, i need to bring it down to 9% and i dont know why im juicing to do it, it would look a ton better being ripped than skinny, but if this next cycle doesnt pan out, im just going to run cytomel at a high dose until im lean enough to get on a bulk and gain tons of muscle from muscle memory and alot of juice. thats the only way it looks possible to me.
Powerhouse9
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than just start some propionate for the 5 weeks until the regular test kicks in. The long last test is good because it tapers better out of the system.
panteracfh
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why are you planning on using so much shit in your cycle at high doses if your only 155? why not just do 500mg test with some EQ and eat clean...? maybe finish out with winny...
why use eq or Winstrol (winny)? so they can cost me more money and build less muscle? and i didnt think my doses were high. i feel better on 750mg than 500mg, if im gonna use steroids, im gonna use them right. and thats not high at all. test is pretty safe. and 30mg dbol i believe is safe. ive used that amount before.
and i do eat clean. ive been eating clean for a year now. i almost never have fast food. once in a while, restaurant, but my diet is oatmeal, chicken breasts, eye of round steaks, yams, sweet potatoes, green beans, rommaine lettuce, spinach. just because i eat clean, doesnt mean im going to be 6% BF right now. i still have to use the gear, t3, etc to get better results. i have a slow metabolism
bosshog
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Winny is nice to finish off a cycle with though - I tell people like this - Winstrol (winny) is like the icing on the cake. For me and a lot of people I know it doesnt do much for size but it pulls a lot of water out, hardens you up a lot and makes you so much more vascular - it just leaves you with a nice finished look.
hmm, i had some zambons, used them at 50mg eod but stopped after 3 weeks cuz i didnt see much, i should have kept it in longer. i guess i might do that when i am around 9% BF, when i am "finished", so it could give me that finished look. and i think i will go with 1 amp every day for the last 4 weeks or so. i dont have money for all this shit, too, btw, if i did, honestly, i would just take everything. i am that gung-ho.
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