young guy doing first cycle help needed!

[spyder51]

Hey guys im doing my first cycle and I am quite nervous and need some help to see if everything is okay.
Im 22 5 foot 9 176lbs, I was always planning on doing my first cycle at 25yrld but I got into an accident 3 months ago that left me with a separated right shoulder, a partially told rc cuff , a told labrum and a broken forearm, which killed all my motivation and has left me heartbroken.
Before the accident my lifts were:
Dl: 405
Bench 275
Squat 300
2 reps each

Im planning to do my cycle in the next 3 months and this is what I have planned.

I bought some test E and test deconate 200mg each blen to 400mg 10 cc bottle. 2x bottles

I will be running 400mg/week for 8 weeks and 500mg/week for the last 4 weeks
Injections are done 2x a week.

I will be taking liquid letro 0.25mg daily starting 2 weeks prior to cycle.
Pct is 40mg of nolva for 14 days and 20mg for 25 days starting 2 weeks after last injection.

Will run letro differently if gyno shows up during or after cycle.

My questions are do I continue to run letro at 0.25mg daily even after my last injection or up until the day of my post cycle therapy (pct) or with my post cycle therapy (pct) at the same time.

How do I consume liquid letro? 0.25mg seems very small compared to a table spoon.

I will not run clomid because it’s impossible to get here and so it plain test e.\
I have also not grown in height since I was 17 I never even expected to be over 5,8.

I also have 2 bottles of anavar, but I wont use them yet, I rushed into buying them.

If anyone thinks that I should do anything differently or any comments please let me know it will be greatly appreciated.

thanks

 

[weights=life]

Just do test only cycle see how your body responds to it. If you have to do a cycle. Other wise id wait try and get bigger natually it shouldnt be hard. Just fight through the mental part of it. Also pick one dose and stay will it dont flucuate it. Try and run it twelve weeks as well.


Get an Aromatase inhibitor (AI) to help prevent gyno. Also it will keep bloat down.

 

[DuRsT]

I don't know that jumping on cycle right after an accident of that magnitude is a good idea. In fact I think it is a bad one, as you are just now healing up and plan on going heavy with a cycle. This is illogical. Why not be back to good (healthy) before you bring in the business?

 

[spyder51]

I don't know that jumping on cycle right after an accident of that magnitude is a good idea. In fact I think it is a bad one, as you are just now healing up and plan on going heavy with a cycle. This is illogical. Why not be back to good (healthy) before you bring in the business?

hey durst, i started lifting again now but only light weight, i will take me more than a year to ever lift heavy again and forget bench and military for me, in 2-4 months i should be much better and ready lift to a certain extent, i am doing this cycle to get get back to were i was, i wont be lifting heavy, many people get gains on test without ever lifting at all.

 

[DuRsT]

No offense bud, but I still don't see the logic. There is nothing magical about steroids, it takes a lot of work, diet, etc. and you're talking about jumping on a cycle when you can't be at your best.

Save the sauce for when you can really make some progress.

 

[spyder51]

No offense bud, but I still don't see the logic. There is nothing magical about steroids, it takes a lot of work, diet, etc. and you're talking about jumping on a cycle when you can't be at your best.

Save the sauce for when you can really make some progress.

i dont see why i cant make gains without lifting heavy, i just wont be doing any over head military and heavy bench. And this cycle will be done in 3-5 months not now.
But thats for your imput, i just need more help with tyhe cycle

 

[Supmario89]

If your going to run both I would run test higher . Deca st like 60% of the test. Run the test longer by a week or two. I would shoot for twelve weeks also. Letro is not the best thing to run on cycle try adex or nolva.

 

[Superman80]

i dont see why i cant make gains without lifting heavy, i just wont be doing any over head military and heavy bench. And this cycle will be done in 3-5 months not now.
But thats for your imput, i just need more help with tyhe cycle

Don't take this post the wrong way but take it as a bit of information from a guy who started a cycle without all the proper information and payed for it. And for the record my lack of knowledge for my first one was about 500x more prepared than you are. First of all you need to lift heavy to get good weight gains, steroids aren't magic you don't take a needle and get huge. We need to see your diet and training regime for starters. Your cycle needs to be 10-12 weeks not 8 and then increase. Keep the dosage the same at 500 the whole time, if anything increasing at the end is the worst time. post cycle therapy (pct) should be started 2 weeks after cycle and needs clomid as well as Nolva. You should be running hcg throughout and drop the letro and keep it on hand in case of Gyno run arimidex .25 mg a day instead. How often do you plan to inject and how much are you injecting and into where? Two bottles of Anavar (var) will do nothing it will probably start to kick in when you stop. Anavar (var) is something you run for 6-8 weeks. Do more research trust me or you'll pay the price post cycle when you lose all your gains and you can't satisfy your girl

 

[spyder51]

If your going to run both I would run test higher . Deca st like 60% of the test. Run the test longer by a week or two. I would shoot for twelve weeks also. Letro is not the best thing to run on cycle try adex or nolva.

? im not runing decadurabolin..
ive never heard of people runing nolva while on test at the same time mabye aromasin

 

[spyder51]

Don't take this post the wrong way but take it as a bit of information from a guy who started a cycle without all the proper information and payed for it. And for the record my lack of knowledge for my first one was about 500x more prepared than you are. First of all you need to lift heavy to get good weight gains, steroids aren't magic you don't take a needle and get huge. We need to see your diet and training regime for starters. Your cycle needs to be 10-12 weeks not 8 post cycle therapy (pct) should be started 2 weeks after cycle and needs cloned as well as Nolva. You should be running hcg throughout and drop the letro and keep it on hand in case of Gyno run arimidex .25 mg a day instead. How often do you plan to inject and how much are you injecting and into where? Two bottles of Anavar (var) will do nothing it will probably start to kick in when you stop. Anavar (var) is something you run for 6-8 weeks. Do more research trust me or you'll pay the price post cycle when you lose all your gains and you can't satisfy your girl

i never said im running it for 8 weeks
i said 8 weeks at 400mg and the next 4 at 500mg, and i never said im runing the Anavar (var) as well, i have it but wont run it on this cycle.

i only wont be going heavy on shoulder and most chest exersices. and who says that you have to be lifting heavy to make good gaines? My max bench was only around 275 and i was big enought before i got hurt and there are much bigger guys than me who dont lift heavy at all. As i said, i wont be running the cycle now, i will do it in a few months, thats why on this forum to get at much info as possible.

 

[Superman80]

Also the statement about getting gains without lifting is false. You will get fat if anything

 

[spyder51]

says who?

mabye you should read some of the articles in the stickies by stonecold,
and i will be lifting just not as heavy as possible.

The following is part of a thread by heavyiron over at MD, the full abstact can be found here..Testosterone dose-response relationships in healthy young men -- Bhasin et al. 281 (6): E1172 -- AJP - Endocrinology and Metabolism

The following text outlines the benefits and risks of Testosterone administration based on a clinical human trial of 61 healthy men in 2001. The purpose of the trial was to determine the dose dependency of testosterone***8217;s effects on fat-free mass and muscle performance. In this trial 61 men, 18-35years old were randomized into 5 groups receiving weekly injections of 25, 50, 125, 300, 600 mg of Testosterone enanthate for 20 weeks. They had previous weight-lifting experience and normal T levels. Their nutritional intake was standardized and they did not undertake any strength training during the trial. The only two groups that reported significant muscle building benefits were the 300 and 600 mg groups so any dose lower than 300mg will not be considered in this essay. 12 men participated in the 300 mg group and 13 men in the 600 mg group.
600mg of Testosterone a week for 20 weeks resulted in the following benefits. Increased fat free mass, muscle strength, muscle power, muscle volume, hemoglobin and igf-1.
The same 600 mg administration resulted in 2 side effects. HDL cholesterol was negatively correlated and 2 men developed acne.
The normal range for total T in men is 241-827 ng/dl according to Labcorp and 260-1000 ng/dl according to Quest Laboratories. The normal range for igf-1 is 81-225 according to Labcorp. Total T and igf-1 levels were taken after 16 weeks and resulted in the following;

Total Testosterone
300 mg group-1,345 ng/dl a 691 ng increase from baseline
600 mg group-2,370 ng/dl a 1,737 ng increase from baseline

igf-1
300 mg group-388 ng/dl a 74 ng increase from baseline
600 mg group-304 ng/dl a 77 ng increase from baseline

Body composition was measured after 20 weeks.

Fat Free Mass by underwater weighing
300 mg group-5.2kg (11.4lbs) increase
600 mg group-7.9kg (17.38lbs) increase
Fat Mass by underwater weighing
300 mg group-.5kg (1.1lbs) decrease
600 mg group-1.1kg (2.42lbs) decrease

 

[sircurlsalot]

Go easy on yourself to fully heal up.

 

[spyder51]

Go easy on yourself to fully heal up.

yea i know man, its just so depressing to see all my hard work just go away but should be much better in a few months.

but can anyone tell me more about letro and aromasin,

ive been told that running letro 0.25mg a day will reduce my change of getting gyno

 

[Superman80]

Like previously said run arimidex letro completely eliminates estrogen therefore sore joints obviously not good since you are already injured. And If you don't want to take advice then don't but you will be sorry and re read my post it says run it 12 at the same dosage, also as previously stated. Diet and workout?

 

[spyder51]

Like previously said run arimidex letro completely eliminates estrogen therefore sore joints obviously not good since you are already injured. And If you don't want to take advice then don't but you will be sorry and re read my post it says run it 12 at the same dosage, also as previously stated. Diet and workout?

thx for the advice for the letro but many people start cycles at lower doses and taper up i see no probleme with that, my diet is in chek and always has been, my workout has not been made since i wont be doing this cycle for a few months but my routines are well built i will just have to change some rep schems and remove certain exersices.

 

[ErectusMaximus]

Sup Spyder, sorry to hear about your accident.

Lets talk about something very basic 1st. High levels of test decrease white tissue production some 50-80%. Your shoulder area got messed up pretty badly. Now consider its not fully healed and that now your going to add muscle and water that will further stretched the strained area.... Does this sound like a great idea to you?

When you do decide to cycle, which you had better wait on. 1st get your squat higher than your deadlift. A 300 pound squat is absolute horseshit but a 275 bench and 405 dl is no bad. That squat should be 500lbs...

When you do decide your ready stay at 500mg/week of test E for 12 weeks. Letro and arimidex are extremely potent so .25mg EoD is not as little as it seems, its a normal dose. Aromasin @ 12.5mg ED is normal also, but see the difference in potency. So choose one of those for an Aromatase inhibitor (AI) but I strongly recommend the aromasin or arimidex, letro is a whole nother animal.

You need nolva and clomid for your pct, hcg is always nice too. I see you have a hard time finding clomid but keep on trying.

Look man, think about this much much more. Your time will come be patient. You will ruin everything if this goes wrong. That was a very very bad accident and no one is a superman. Let time heal your wounds first, don't be stupid.

GL kid, fools rush in.

 

[Phatbastard]

hey durst, i started lifting again now but only light weight, i will take me more than a year to ever lift heavy again and forget bench and military for me, in 2-4 months i should be much better and ready lift to a certain extent, i am doing this cycle to get get back to were i was, i wont be lifting heavy, many people get gains on test without ever lifting at all.

I call BS

 

[spyder51]

Sup Spyder, sorry to hear about your accident.

Lets talk about something very basic 1st. High levels of test decrease white tissue production some 50-80%. Your shoulder area got messed up pretty badly. Now consider its not fully healed and that now your going to add muscle and water that will further stretched the strained area.... Does this sound like a great idea to you?

When you do decide to cycle, which you had better wait on. 1st get your squat higher than your deadlift. A 300 pound squat is absolute horseshit but a 275 bench and 405 dl is no bad. That squat should be 500lbs...

When you do decide your ready stay at 500mg/week of test E for 12 weeks. Letro and arimidex are extremely potent so .25mg EoD is not as little as it seems, its a normal dose. Aromasin @ 12.5mg ED is normal also, but see the difference in potency. So choose one of those for an Aromatase inhibitor (AI) but I strongly recommend the aromasin or arimidex, letro is a whole nother animal.

You need nolva and clomid for your pct, hcg is always nice too. I see you have a hard time finding clomid but keep on trying.

Look man, think about this much much more. Your time will come be patient. You will ruin everything if this goes wrong. That was a very very bad accident and no one is a superman. Let time heal your wounds first, don't be stupid.

GL kid, fools rush in.

thx alot man,
its very hard to find anything around here the nolva will have to do. I will definitly stick with aromasin like you said. Its been almost 3 months since the accident and i feel much better my doctor said i should be good to go in the next few months with some exceptions to certain excersices. Dont you find a 500lbs squat to be quite much? I dont think i will be able to ever squat that much its taken me 3 years to squat abit over 300, and will take me another 10 to get to 500 lol.

 

[spyder51]

I call BS

i would never take test and not lift, but according to the article in the stickes i posted above its true. But thats not my concern.