1 Year a Slave, Jomamma007's HRT Exit

[Alpin]

Happy birthday on that note...
I for one don't know how you can tolerate 1000 i.u EOD of that stuff...
it increase adrenal hormones, increases anxiety.
I found 500 i.u. to be more than enough for stimulation....
I was on 1500 i.u., a week and felt way too alert and TT raised some but who needs to be tense and anxious all the time.
I wouldn't go more than 500 i.u. E3D....that's my two cents...
To each their own....

 

[Alpin]

how far from your last T dose did you start the HCG again ?
I don't wanna scroll back and read all the posts.

 

[jomamma007]

how far from your last T dose did you start the HCG again ?
I don't wanna scroll back and read all the posts.

I watied one week after last T shot to start HCG. Took 10 shots 1000iu EoD. Then began SERMS 3 days ago. Will get blood work done after I discontinue clomid.

 

[Alpin]

I watied one week after last T shot to start HCG. Took 10 shots 1000iu EoD. Then began SERMS 3 days ago. Will get blood work done after I discontinue clomid.

You pinned 80 mg of T twice a week in your TRT protocol right ?
still T in your system though bro, even a week out of starting the HCG.
this is gonna be hit or miss.
I did the same thing and started HCG a week after last Shot and two weeks later on lab TT was 600 ng/dl...with pituitary (LH,FSH)supressed
still quite a bit of T in the system as you can see.

 

[jomamma007]

I originallydid 40 mgs twice per week, but fir the last few weeks while waiting for hcg i switched to 80 mgs once per week.

Yes i know the t was still in me a week after injection but that's fine for the hcg. Its been 30 days since i pinned and just began serms. The t`s cleared as my lh and fsh are beginning to rise. The hcg has done it's purpose and proven my testes can produceT.

4-6 weeks of serms to jumpstart my hpta and ill be fine. Waking up again with morning wood and feeling good. Started a new job yesterday and had no anxiety.

Will update with bloods after i discontinue clomid or if mood and physical state changes.

 

[Alpin]

Good news JoMa....
stay on those SERMS, run blood labs and then post them here. If TT is not where you want 'em....
run 'em longer.

 

[Alpin]

make sure you are taking in adequate zinc (I like the picolinate version) ad a good quality vit. E....
this stuff helps out with T

 

[jomamma007]

make sure you are taking in adequate zinc (I like the picolinate version) ad a good quality vit. E....
this stuff helps out with T

Thanks, I already am taking Zinc and Vitamin D alongside DHEA and Pregnenonlone coupled with heavy lifting. Figure it's my best bet.
Vitamin E is good for T?

 

[spaced_out]

How long does to take to clear your system? I got an appt a/endo on the 15th. I screwed up and jumped on trt and crashed my estradiol with ai that I didn't even need.

 

[Alpin]

How long does to take to clear your system? I got an appt a/endo on the 15th. I screwed up and jumped on trt and crashed my estradiol with ai that I didn't even need.

I did too no worry's. Common mistake to jump on AI at get go of TRT. I say wait atleat a month and run labs before going on.
Most times you can avoid AI by injecting two times a week and keeping your TT at 800-900 ng/dl.
I did that and felt good!
my 2 cents

 

[Alpin]

Thanks, I already am taking Zinc and Vitamin D alongside DHEA and Pregnenonlone coupled with heavy lifting. Figure it's my best bet.
Vitamin E is good for T?

in a restart protocol it is a must.
Just say I know "people" that swear by it in a restart protocol.
The good one though the pricey one with all of the vitamin E.
I like AOR TOTAL E.

 

[spaced_out]

I did too no worry's. Common mistake to jump on AI at get go of TRT. I say wait atleat a month and run labs before going on.
Most times you can avoid AI by injecting two times a week and keeping your TT at 800-900 ng/dl.
I did that and felt good!
my 2 cents

In my case I injected twice so far at 100mg each. So I'm sitting at 600 in the test range. The estradiol crash is hell, i fear a low t crash in conjunction. Will e2 rise on its own without synthetic test?

Not to hijack thread, I am seeking a restart too with endo.

 

[Alpin]

In my case I injected twice so far at 100mg each. So I'm sitting at 600 in the test range. The estradiol crash is hell, i fear a low t crash in conjunction. Will e2 rise on its own without synthetic test?

Not to hijack thread, I am seeking a restart too with endo.

If you mean just coming off TRT and your E2 is low....
it will start to climb up after you discontinue your AI.
How bad did you crash the E2 ?
Do you have labs confirming the crash in E2 ?

 

[spaced_out]

If you mean just coming off TRT and your E2 is low....
it will start to climb up after you discontinue your AI.
How bad did you crash the E2 ?
Do you have labs confirming the crash in E2 ?

Oh ok. Good. That ai is no joke man. I felt like I was going crazy.

It was <5 on a scale from 7-49.

Last injection was ten days ago but doc wants to run blood tomorrow but not see me till two weeks later.

 

[Alpin]

Oh ok. Good. That ai is no joke man. I felt like I was going crazy.

It was <5 on a scale from 7-49.

Last injection was ten days ago but doc wants to run blood tomorrow but not see me till two weeks later.

oh yeah...
you def. crashed your Estradiol. When you were sitting down to eat, did you feel your heart pounding ?
aching joints as well ?
Try to make a new thread next time bro. This guy is on a Restart journey and we are going off topic here clogging up his thread.
Cheers.

 

[spaced_out]

oh yeah...
you def. crashed your Estradiol. When you were sitting down to eat, did you feel your heart pounding ?
aching joints as well ?
Try to make a new thread next time bro. This guy is on a Restart journey and we are going off topic here clogging up his thread.
Cheers.

No joint problems but damn I felt like my iq dropped. Like I was zoned out. Side of head would pound and only thing would help me is laying down. Still having a bit of spells but they are much shorter than before. At one time I was in the shower and I just wanted to cry and call my dad. It got bad.

That's y Im scared what coming off t injections will do to me. But u said stopping the ai would elevate my estradiol. I had thought I that enzyme needed something to aromatize off of, such as the synthetic testosterone, for it to synthesize again. Excuse my lack of knowledge on chemistry/biology


And once again sorry to op. Maybe this exchange can be of some use to ur thread for those who are having similar problems.

 

[Alpin]

hard to know buddy....
after a while on stuff like hcg and Test... Estradiol can become elevated but no one knows for sure unless they run labs if an AI is necessary.
I was concerned about lowering Estradiol too much as well when doing HCG mono and took 0.25 mg ADEX E4D....
ran labs (had taken that ADEX 1/4 dose day before blood work) and Estradiol regular assay was 97 pmol/l (26 Pg/ml) after 5 weeks on this hcg mono protocol....
who knows what Estradiol climbed to till the next dose was taken 4 days later. I was running 500 i.u. 3 times a week at the time.
Def. felt more anxiety at times and it was not from taking too much AI.

 

[jomamma007]

Fatigueskicking in this week, ddropped a few more pounds without doing anything.
On the plus side the gyno i had is 90%gone and can't see it at all. Hopefully it stays lioe this so i don't have to get surgery oj it.
I'll get bloods next week to see how SERMS are treating me.

 

[Alpin]

you developed gyno off this restart ?

 

[jomamma007]

No i had slight gyno from before. This restart has nearly rid it.
Feel very sluggish though.