1 Year a Slave, Jomamma007's HRT Exit

Hey Jo, I tried to send you a PM and your inbox is full. Wanted to let you know that my e2 dropped to the low 20s without an AI after my restart.
 
Have some new blood work 2 weeks into SERMS, still pretty soon but I like to know what's going on
4/8/14
Testosterone 408 (348-1197)
LH 12.4 High (1.7-8.6)
FSH 9.1 (1.5-12.4)
Estradiol 28.8 (7.6-42.6)
So it seems my testes are responding, although my test is still dam low. Still pretty early as I've only been feeling the SERMS for the last day or so starting to kick in.
Mentally I feel good, not anxious or depressed.
Physically, my strength in the gym is down by about 30%, used to rep the 95lb dumbells on shoulder press and now the 65's are causing my body to shake.
Libido has been non existent until yesterday and today. Starting to kick in slightly as well as waking up with half erections. So I'm thinking the SERMS are starting to do their work, and the next 4 weeks will bring a lot of changes.

I'll probably get blood work again after I discontinue nolva in 4 weeks as I'm going to finish taking the SERMS regardless.
 
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Hello,

By looking at your labs I would say that you started the SERMs too early and did labs on the hCG too early as well to give a good reading on your hCG progress if you wish to call it that! I am assuming you were diagnosed as secondary pre TRT.

Seems like you are moving forward however so lets hope for the best! A word of advice would be to look at your labs again in 4 weeks and not plan to discontinue SERMs at a fixed interval.

Let the labs do the talking!
 
Daniel_IMT_Staff said:
Hello,

By looking at your labs I would say that you started the SERMs too early and did labs on the hCG too early as well to give a good reading on your hCG progress if you wish to call it that! I am assuming you were diagnosed as secondary pre TRT.

Seems like you are moving forward however so lets hope for the best! A word of advice would be to look at your labs again in 4 weeks and not plan to discontinue SERMs at a fixed interval.

Let the labs do the talking!
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Thanks for the advice. I'll get labs in 4 weeks and take it from there.
 
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What exactly should i be looking for? If my LH and FSH are high and i have a 900 test level coupled with feelingsof well being, does that mean it would be advisable to discontinue?
 
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4/13/14
Well my strength is coming back in the gym, I'd say I'm around 7-80% of my peak on hrt.
Libido isn't really existent. I haven't thought about sex in a few weeks haha.
I've started getting emotional this week out of nowhere and anxious so I take it the SERMS are kicking in at the 2.5 week mark.
Boys have doubled in size and are heavy and full unlike on hrt. My weight and gyno fluctuate daily randomly whether or not my day is consistent which is odd. Sleep is pretty crappy but I am starting to feel better slowly but surely.
 
Been away a while joma.
You might have anxiety symptoms from the low test and low estradiol. ..
I would not be entirely sure that the serms are causing you anxiety.
What dose you on for serms now?
 
I believe any negative symtpoms right now are simply from low estrogen from taking an ai still.
Any harm in stopping it and just continuing serms? Don't want to have a rebound that's going to mess with the whole process.
Taking my last dose of clomid today 70mg, still have 2 more weeks of nolva left. Will get blood work next week to see if I should continue SERMS further then I accounted for.
Clomid 70/70/70/70
Nolva 40/30/30/30/20/20
 
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This could be a rumor but I heard that taking an AI while on SERMs is basically useless as they don't work well while on medications like clomid. Like I said this may be inaccurate but I heard it from a pretty reliable source. Your E2 should drop after you complete your SERMS naturally. Good luck and I hope your bloodwork comes back great!

jomamma007 said:
I believe any negative symtpoms right now are simply from low estrogen from taking an ai still.
Any harm in stopping it and just continuing serms? Don't want to have a rebound that's going to mess with the whole process.
Taking my last dose of clomid today 70mg, still have 2 more weeks of nolva left. Will get blood work next week to see if I should continue SERMS further then I accounted for.
Clomid 70/70/70/70
Nolva 40/30/30/30/20/20
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bbbjames said:
This could be a rumor but I heard that taking an AI while on SERMs is basically useless as they don't work well while on medications like clomid. Like I said this may be inaccurate but I heard it from a pretty reliable source. Your E2 should drop after you complete your SERMS naturally. Good luck and I hope your bloodwork comes back great!
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They still work, although the efffects are reduced by 30-40%.
Anyways I just got bloodwork done 5 weeks into SERMS, finished clomid last week and have 1 weeks supply left of nolva. Not quite sure If I should continue to take Nolva for another month.

5/1/14 Now I slept 3-4 hours and was hungover and am slightly sick so I'm not quite sure how accurate these are.
Testosterone 624 (348-1197)
Estradiol 23.0 (7.6-42.6 pg/mL)
Luteinizing Hormone(LH), 18.8H (1.7-8.6 mIU/mL)
FSH 10.5 (1.5-12.4 mIU/mL)

So do you guys think I should get some more Nolva and clomid and run another month and then get blood work or just come off and see where I land?
 
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I would have done clomid 50 mg EOD for 4-6 months instead of ED dosing. I hear the clomid shines past 4 months.
 
Well I'm going to finish my last few days of nolvadex and re-test one more time with a good nights sleep and not drink and see where I'm at.
See if my body can bounce back. The pituitary responds fasters then the balls anyways so I have a feeling my numbers will continue to rise. Last time I finished pct I was at 897 and 4 weeks later I was at 1200 so hopefully that happens again.

Then bloods again in say 6-8 weeks and see where I'm at. If numbers don't hold then I'll take a longer clomid and nolvadex approach 3-6 months.
I want to do everything I can to avoid the needle, because all I need is a 500 test level. Only time will tell.
 
Read my thread. I am at 510 ng/dl with HCG.
I dont need large doses for my functioning. My esteadiol is dialed in too. EOD ai is no good for me. It works optimally when its dosed E3D for me.
 
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