10 weeks in on my first cycle.... Thoughts??? Using Biogen...

[Neversatisfied02]

First... Here is some info on myself.
25 years old, 5' 11.75", 225 lbs. Been lifting for a few years solid now.

Ok... This is my first cycle. Ive taken pro hormones before and i've gotten good gains but never done injections until now. I bought the bottles through a friend who always has gear on hand. My first bottles were "Spartan labs" Test enth 250 and "spartan labs" deca 300. When i ran out of those 2 bottles, I switched to biogen products as thats what he started carrying. I went through a biogen test enth 250 and deca and now i am on my 3rd test bottle and using their T400 test blend (enth/prop mix) so i can shoot less and it will last longer at the same dose amount. I'm 10 weeks in overall and I don't feel like I've seen shit for results. I've been shooting 1000mg of test a week and 600mg deca. At that amount, I should be seeing some HUGE gains. Sitting at 10 weeks now and I haven't gained a pound. Im still right around 225 lbs. Strength may have gone up slightly but thats it. In the beginning (prob on the spartan bottles), i noticed i had a huge increase in sex drive. If the wind blew the wrong way id be ready to go. That has since worn off and i feel like i'm not on anything at all now. Personaly consensus is... Maybe the spartan stuff was legit and this biogen stuff is bunk? Diet wise, I eat clean and I eat 4-5 times a day with 1-2 protein shakes. Pretty much nothing other than steak, grilled chicken and potatoes or rice for my meals and i supplement properly (Bcaa's, glutamine, waximaize, 1MR for pre-workout, protein, etc).

Considering this is my first rodeo, I'm greatly disappointed to say the least! I was also sketch about ordering myself online so I paid more for the bottles on hand through my buddy ($85 each). Has anyone else been 10 weeks in with hardly anything to show gains wise?? I had planned to run 16 weeks when i started but I'm tempted to just hop off what seems to be weak ass shit and save my money since i'm just a broke college kid buying the bottles as i need them. My buddy always has the stuff on hand so running out was never a concern. I switched from spartan labs to biogen between my first and second bottles like i said but its still the same compounds so that really doesn't matter too much. My buddy has been in the game for a long time and he's also recently started taking Biogen products (as thats all he carries now) but because he's been doing it for such a long time, he's taking massive doses and mixing with other gear he has for personal use only ultimately resulting in a big mixed cocktail of stuff. I cant really judge off his results and compare them to mine for that reason. Im really tempted to just hop off now at 10 weeks and quit wasting my money so i can take my 30 days off with a post cycle therapy (pct) and then get back on some proven gear. You guys have no idea how disappointed i am. I was stoked about taking my first cycle but after these results, im pretty pissed.

 

[glubgawd]

So you're 5'11 now? Did the biogen gear shrink you? That's pretty crazy man.

 

[Cobra Strike]

Your buddy is a fuckin idiot. My experience with biogen is g2g. this is your first cycle and your running 1000mg of test and 600mg of deca?? Bro you really got the game fucked up....and if that is the case then your shit is def bunk or you never eat. Go get your blood work done if you want to know for sure if its fake or not...but dam man...your getting of to a very bad start with aas

 

[Neversatisfied02]

He's training for show right now. He's 6'1" and 270 lbs at 8%. Thats why i trust what he's told me. He knows everything there is to know about juice, diet, etc. Biogen was a new move for him so there really was no personal feedback before hand. We got on the biogen stuff at the same time. Im taking biogen alone but he's taking some other stuff with it.

These responses are the exact reason why i haven't posted online until now.

 

[Cobra Strike]

He's training for show right now. He's 6'1" and 270 lbs at 8%. Thats why i trust what he's told me. He knows everything there is to know about juice, diet, etc. Biogen was a new move for him so there really was no personal feedback before hand. We got on the biogen stuff at the same time. Im taking biogen alone but he's taking some other stuff with it.

These responses are the exact reason why i haven't posted online until now.

Why? Cause you cant handle the truth? Im sorry bro but your running way to much gear!!! Your buddy is and idiot for telling you to do this much or advising you too...He obviously doesnt care about your health...oh but the more gear he sells you the more money he makes...I forget that part

 

[scotimusprime]

if your bro knows "everything" get the fuck off of this board and go listen to him.

ill watch the obituaries for your name.

 

[Cobra Strike]

I will just level with you...this is the place you should have came to before you made your decision to run anything. So now you got this guy that is pumping himself full of steroids and using them like they are magic pills...steroids are only on piece to the puzzle...they are not meant to be a crutch. I think that it would be in your best interest to stay on this board and read other peoples posts and find out that what your doing is wrong. I listened to my friends on my first cycle as well bro...they had no fucking clue as how to properly use aas and they are no longer my friends. Just cause a guys is all huge and comp ready doesnt mean his insides are worth a shit...just like smoking..on the outside you look fine but on the inside your lungs look like tar dripping off hot concrete. How long do you plan on living??? Your buddy is going to die of a myocardial infarction at a very young age...and I can garantee you his organs are extremely enlarged including his left ventricle...your heart is a continuously contracting muscle...when it burns out your done and he is putting so much stess on his bro....do not follow his footsteps or you will pay with a short and problematic life....this I promise you

 

[Neversatisfied02]

I have no problem handling the truth. Im sorry if i seem misinformed and thats exactly why i've posted here. I've been taking his advice all along and i honestly dont feel that he would steer me in the wrong direction but after wasting a bunch of money and seeing nothing in return, i'm a little pissed. Thanks for leveling with me. Im really still learning about this stuff so i'm not trying to sound like i know it all or rant that my buddy is a genius. Im just stating what I've been told.

Apparently i have made a mistake on my first cycle as well. I should have done more research, picked a proven lab and prob run a more subtle amount. At least i know i haven't harmed myself as of yet if this shit is totally bunk like it seems to be. Running that much i should have seen some massive gains. My buddy only suggested that i run this much because technically after taking a couple cycles of pro hormones in the past, he said this wasn't going to be my first cycle as far as my receptors were concerned. He knows i diet well and workout hard.

Would you suggest i just get off completely right now and take my post cycle therapy (pct). Then do my research and start again in 30-60 days?

Thanks for the help btw

 

[UserAt204]

Well I can tell you the stuff from the first lab is good stuff. Everyone is giving it to you straight. You are on way to much. It may be the biogen. Some people get good results with it and others don't. Your doses are way to high for a first timer even if you took some shitty prohormones. And if you think he wouldn't steer you wrong, you have to think he just charged you three times the price for your gear. So how good of a friend is that. Sounds like he's in it to get what he can and using your money to do it. Shit happens and you would have packed on some weight with those doses so stick around and you will be better off. Trust me I had the same friend, huge guy who competes and has taken lots of gear forever but doesn't know shit about it. Then offers to hook everyone up when he's really taking their money.

 

[RJ]

Would you suggest i just get off completely right now and take my post cycle therapy (pct). Then do my research and start again in 30-60 days?

Thanks for the help btw

yes. but get bloodwork done after your post cycle therapy (pct) and if its ok, then think bout another cycle.

Meanwhile, get you a big sockfull of quarters and put the beat down on that jackass.

 

[blazeftp]

If your sitting at 10 weeks with no weight change its your shity diet not the gear.
If the gear was bunk you should be seeing some weight increase from your diet alone.

 

[Neversatisfied02]

Userat204...

Yeah... thats what i thought too. I got the huge increase in sex drive at the beginning and wanted to fuck constantly. I started feeling like a monster in the gym and for a short time, i hit 230 lbs but then it went away shortly after that first bottle was gone and now im back to 225 where i started and have been since then. I don't know why he stopped getting spartan labs stuff but I'm leaning towards the fact that he found biogen for cheaper which = bigger profit for him.

He sounds just like the friend you had. Looks like everyone is just looking out for themselves in the end and i guess i am just a paycheck. Guess i shouldn't have been so blind going into this but it is what it is at this point. Now i just gotta do what i can to fix the situation for myself.

So what do you guys suggest i do from here? Get off this junk cold turkey right now at 10 weeks? What should i use for a post cycle therapy (pct) and how long should i run it?

And how long should i wait before i try another cycle? What should i take for my next cycle and what size doses?

Maybe if i get all the info i need now, ill do it right from here on out.

Thanks a lot fellas!

 

[Neversatisfied02]

Ok. What all is involved in getting bloodwork done? Just go in and request it? What post cycle therapy (pct) and how much of it should i need?

Diet is pretty much on point. I eat clean all the time. I just started eating more when i started the cycle to make sure i was eating enough but diet isn't my problem.

 

[UserAt204]

Biogen isn't cheaper even though it is cheap. There is a thread at the top of this forum to show you how to get bloodwork done. For post cycle therapy (pct) you could get toreimifene and run it four weeks at 60,60,30,30 or clomid 50,50,50,50 or nolva 40,40,20,20. Fix this first and stick around and read other post and you will see what's good for a first cycle.

Since you said you are short on cash and a student go to precisionpeptides website and you can order your post cycle therapy (pct) there. I would suggest our sponsor RUI who is really good also but they are a bit more expensive. If you want to stay in the game you have to find your own sources bro because there are too many shady people doing this shit and to be honest the prices he charged you are not bad at all. There are plenty of labs who charge more than that so I wouldn't worry about what he charged but more that your gear may have been junk.

Did the vials still have the seal/ flip top on it? Just wondering if he swapped some for oil. Or It could simply be your caloric intake but sounds like you noticed what you should of at first then dropped off. So as RJ said after post cycle therapy (pct) get bloodwork to see where all your levels are.

 

[blazeftp]

Diet is a problem if you gained weight on cycle then lost it.
Thats diet.
But i am sure you where fucked aswell which didn't help.

PCT
Should be Clomid.
100/100/50/50 mg per week.
Each Dose is ED.

 

[Neversatisfied02]

Ok, ill look into getting my blood work done. post cycle therapy (pct) is obviously my first concern. I just want to make sure i post cycle therapy (pct) correctly so i can get back to a solid square one before i considering taking another cycle. That will give me time to research as well.

Ok, ill check out that site. Thanks for the heads up. And no, i wasn't really thinking the price on the bottles was high but compared to what I've seen them selling for on the biogen price list, there is obviously some profit margin there. He generally sells them for $100-$120 to the random person so he was hooking me up compared to that.

Vials were sealed exactly as they should be. He has a safe and he has probably 200+ bottles on him at a time. He just pulls directly from the stash and hands them to me. Most people don't see that because he rarely sells out of his house but we've been friends for a long time. Its all 100% biogen stuff. My calorie intake could prob be a little better but with school and work, i find myself taking meals to eat on the fly or substituting protein shakes if i dont have time. It sucks when real life interferes with the fun stuff. lol But i still eat clean and im pretty sure im eating enough to maintain and grow from here.

Is Clomid the best choice of the bunch for post cycle therapy (pct)?

My buddy told me he'd prob have me take Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) for my post cycle therapy (pct) when i started the cycle but considering the situation i'm in, i obviously don't want to just jump to that if its not the best option.

 

[blazeftp]

Just shows how much your friends knows.
you can't take Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) for PCT

 

[Neversatisfied02]

Well there you go. Glad i asked!

When should i start the clomid? Immediately or in a few weeks once the stuff weans out of my system since i took my 10 week shot wednesday?

 

[Neversatisfied02]

Ive also been told arimadex or triptorlin are good choices. Supposedly with the triptorlin, you take 100mg 1 time and you're done. Sounds weird but i looked it up and saw the same thing online.

Anyone had experience with it?

 

[UserAt204]

The triptorelin is a GnRH agonist. Don't go with that just yet, I haven't seen enough research to prove that. You can use clomid or torem. Torem is my preference. Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) is best used during the cycle up to a couple days before you start your serm. You should wait two weeks to start your serm just in case there was some actuall test in the vials. You could use Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) during that two weeks but I don't think you are going to need it. Next time you should use Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) the duration of the cycle. You will need adex or another Aromatase inhibitor (AI) if using hcg.