2 pins versus 3 pins a week

[halfape211]

Well I do not want to disclose what I do for a living but I bet if I told you all then you'd be like yeah that explains it. Let's just say it's a very analytical detail oriented perfectionist type career.

Well. Lets just say you are perfectly suited for your job.

 

[STAUNCHED427]

E5D has been working for me, total 1ml of 100mg Test/100mg Tren. Just as good as twice a week, better than once a week IME.

 

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[texas.redneck]

Just curious....what happens if I don't go deep enough on a pin? My chiropractor says these injections are basically "dummy proof" that it's just better to get in muscle because more blood circulation, but not end of the world if I miss.

I'm having a total newbie moment right now thinking I didnt go deep enough in quad this morning. All my pins so far i've buried the needle all the way in up to syringe (it's 1" 23g). This morning I went in felt it hit muscle and quad twitch and then for some reason chickened out and just stopped penetration! I was about 1/2" to 3/4" penetrated when I injected. Then I finished and took a closer look at where needle was in relation to penetration and started having my newbie moment. Lol.

I am high maintenance. What can I say?

 

[RogueGains420]

not going deep enough can be very painful.. use a 1'' on the delts and quads and 1.5'' on the glutes .

 

[halfwit]

Just curious....what happens if I don't go deep enough on a pin? My chiropractor says these injections are basically "dummy proof" that it's just better to get in muscle because more blood circulation, but not end of the world if I miss.

I'm having a total newbie moment right now thinking I didnt go deep enough in quad this morning. All my pins so far i've buried the needle all the way in up to syringe (it's 1" 23g). This morning I went in felt it hit muscle and quad twitch and then for some reason chickened out and just stopped penetration! I was about 1/2" to 3/4" penetrated when I injected. Then I finished and took a closer look at where needle was in relation to penetration and started having my newbie moment. Lol.

I am high maintenance. What can I say?

You absorb the hormone slower and may have a lump form. I'd pick on you, but the first time I hit a nerve (involuntary twitch), it took some serious self-talk to pin there again.

You're fine.

 

[texas.redneck]

You absorb the hormone slower and may have a lump form. I'd pick on you, but the first time I hit a nerve (involuntary twitch), it took some serious self-talk to pin there again.

You're fine.

I think you all misunderstood. I didnt hit a nerve and there was no pain. Every time I pin in quad or glute I get the little muscle twitch and feel needle go in muscle. Same thing happened today except I just chickened out and didn't penetrate all the way to the syringe. But I was holding the end of the syringe in place so i didnt realize just how much needle was still not penetrated until i went to remove syringe. That's when i saw it was probably only 3/4 way in. Then that was when newbie paranoia set in and I was like crap did I just waste that whole cc. I guess i'll know in the morning if I get my normal PIP

 

[halfwit]

I think you all misunderstood. I didnt hit a nerve and there was no pain. Every time I pin in quad or glute I get the little muscle twitch and feel needle go in muscle. Same thing happened today except I just chickened out and didn't penetrate all the way to the syringe. But I was holding the end of the syringe in place so i didnt realize just how much needle was still not penetrated until i went to remove syringe. That's when i saw it was probably only 3/4 way in. Then that was when newbie paranoia set in and I was like crap did I just waste that whole cc. I guess i'll know in the morning if I get my normal PIP

An involuntary muscle twitch is when you graze or come in close contact with a nerve. There shouldn't be any twitching otherwise. Unless you're tensing as you anticipate the needle penetrating; which just takes time to get over.

Like I said, you didn't waste anything.

 

[texas.redneck]

not going deep enough can be very painful.. use a 1'' on the delts and quads and 1.5'' on the glutes .

How is that btw? I would think not going deep enough is less painful cause you don't go in muscle, just in skin and fat? If pain is the gauge for deep enough then I must have gone deep enough cause I still don't feel a thing in that area and there is no absess.

 

[halfape211]

How is that btw? I would think not going deep enough is less painful cause you don't go in muscle, just in skin and fat? If pain is the gauge for deep enough then I must have gone deep enough cause I still don't feel a thing in that area and there is no absess.

Hello again Mr.Texasredneck. Have you driven anyone crazy yet? lol You are very very high maintenance. and possibly a bit of a wuss. Think of how complicated it must be to put your car key in the key hole. (answer: Its as complicated as you want to make it.)

Just stick that F'king needle (just kidding lol) quickly thru the skin and well down into the leg. You can move it up and down as you wish to adjust for depth!! Some people inject into muscle and some into fat. Both ways work. Don't sweat the small stuff. Although muscle is preferred. Each time you will get better. Sometimes there is pain (you don't need to know why, ok?) and sometimes no pain (you don't need to know why on that either). Now, slowly inject.

See how simply it is. None of us went to med school to learn how to pin. Check you-tube if you want to do overkill on this subject.

PS Megatron, Same goes for you as I said to Oldmusclemike, "Save some of your patience and smarts for me too. I have a lot to learn yet."

Good luck mr texasredneck

 

[oldmusclemike]

not going deep enough can be very painful.. use a 1'' on the delts and quads and 1.5'' on the glutes .

Do not need a 1-1/2 inch (1.5" ) on Quads. For almost quads 1" is fine unless you are just horribly obese and if that's the case you should not be using AAS. Most I use is 23 G x 1" on Glutes, quads and delts. If I am using a water base I use a 25G x 5/8" . However 1" for glutes. Quads are fine with 5/8 " and if you are heavy just push in.

If not deep enough it will still be absorbed but very slowly. Anything you inject into the body will be absorbed unless a shin bubble but even that if it stays in will at some pint get into your system.

 

[texas.redneck]

An involuntary muscle twitch is when you graze or come in close contact with a nerve. There shouldn't be any twitching otherwise. Unless you're tensing as you anticipate the needle penetrating; which just takes time to get over.

Like I said, you didn't waste anything.

If it is any indication I got in muscle, I feel my pip coming on like clockwork about the 12 hour post injection mark. Not sure if that happens if I just injected under skin and fat. I'll know more in morning if I wake up with sore quad like usual.

 

[halfwit]

If it is any indication I got in muscle, I feel my pip coming on like clockwork about the 12 hour post injection mark. Not sure if that happens if I just injected under skin and fat. I'll know more in morning if I wake up with sore quad like usual.

PIP is a horrible metric to go by as it can be caused by many factors. In fact, I KNOW I inject deep in the muscle bellies - yet I get next to zero PIP anymore.

 

[halfape211]

If it is any indication I got in muscle, I feel my pip coming on like clockwork about the 12 hour post injection mark. Not sure if that happens if I just injected under skin and fat. I'll know more in morning if I wake up with sore quad like usual.

I guess I'm bored so i'll jump in again. When you attach the finer needle that you inject with, do you push the plunger down until you see a small drop of test at the bottom of the needle (just before you inject)? If not, I speculate that you are injecting air that was in the needle. this can cause pain.
Do you push the plunger down VERY slowly? If not it can hurt, but probably not 12 hours later.
hope this helps

 

[maurij1]

1cc in Delt is fine and easy. I use 1" 25 gauge needle but that's just personal prefference. I rotate between thighs, ventro glutes, delts and pecs. Ventro glutes and delts are my favorites though.

 

[oldmusclemike]

This is it...SIMPLE SIMON...Find a spot that muscle under it. You can flex it and you will feel it.

Now I don't care what size needle 1" or 5/8" 22,23,25 g Stab and plunge. Stab quick and deliberate no thinking required no judgment as to how far in...ALL the way to the end. If you are unsure then wait until you are committed.

The nurse or doctor doesn't think oh this and that. They strike, the quick and more deliberate. Listen if anyone has a hard time with this then it aint for you. You can have someone else do it if they are not afraid and know what to do. You find the spot. However you still need to be experienced yourself.

NO offence OP but this subject on injections is so common with newbie. There is NO worry, none with getting hurt ( something bad / lasting) if you are sterile. Good to know how so Q's ok ya know. But you need not be frightened.

Myself after so many years of countless IM I still from time to time get some PIP, not often, it always clears and I do nothing for it. Be confident of your gear and sterility.

AND if you have PIP in the same spot...Simon Says go to another site.
Good Luck

 

[texas.redneck]

I got one for you all. Does it change the 2 pin versus 3 pins weekly answer if i increase to 3cc per week? Also, what do you all think of me making an audible on week 4 of my cycle and going to 750mg week of Test E and extending cycle to 12 weeks?

So I went super conservative with the beginner 500mg test E for 10 week cycle (as this is my first time). My buddy told me I needed a higher dose. His exact words were something to the effect of "your not in college any more. you are an old man. this is the correct dose for you". (I'm 36 years old). He was trying to start me on 600mg Test E and 600 mg EQ stack per week. I'm still feeling pretty good about my decision not to start with that particular stack he recommended, but I am feeling like possibly I went a little too conservative on the Test E.

This is week 3. I felt it starting to kick in this week for sure. I'm able to workout more frequency per week, I don't feel as sore after, weights were feeling lighter this week, I'm horny has hell, etc.

That being said, I'm not super impressed for all the trouble I went through to get this shit illegally, the potential side effects risk, sides I have had (some lethargic moments), the PIP, etc. etc. I honestly feel like if buying the big jug of Gaspari Creatine at Vitamin shoppe is like a 3 on an anablic scale of 1 to 10, that i'm only at maybe a 4 or 5 with this Test E cycle. I'm starting to think that was a whole shitload of trouble for not much return. I was kind of going for maybe the 6-7 effect on a 1-10 scale.

Any hot sports opinions on this?

 

[oldmusclemike]

1. amount of pins a week has nothing to do with dosages
2. First cycle protocol is 500mgs week. It is not Super conservative. Increased dosage for first cycle is not basic protocol. No rules
3. Stop listening to your buddies bro-science crap. Age after 25 makes no difference except for the bodies experience .
4. Test takes usually 5-6 weeks to kick in so what you feel in most probability is a placebo effect. Usually.
5 What you feel about your efforts about doing all this is just you opinion and many feel that way so they don't do AAS.

It is what it is.

 

[texas.redneck]

1. amount of pins a week has nothing to do with dosages
2. First cycle protocol is 500mgs week. It is not Super conservative. Increased dosage for first cycle is not basic protocol. No rules
3. Stop listening to your buddies bro-science crap. Age after 25 makes no difference except for the bodies experience .
4. Test takes usually 5-6 weeks to kick in so what you feel in most probability is a placebo effect. Usually.
5 What you feel about your efforts about doing all this is just you opinion and many feel that way so they don't do AAS.

It is what it is.

I will just stick with plan A. I think the Test is doing a lot more than I give it credit for and everyone has been saying weeks 5-6. Although I will note it's either bro-science from people I actually know from gym versus anonymous individuals on a forum..... :0

 

[texas.redneck]

I'm having a crappy pinning week this week (and crappy week in general as I got rear ended among other things). If you all were following earlier post you know I had the newbie freak out moment because I didn't fully insert needle into quad Sunday. I actually think that injection was probably fine although I could have hit muscle deeper. So Wednesday night i've been having a gf of mine who is a compounding pharmacist come over for the glute injection. She is pretty good at it (I guess something they teach at pharmacy school). She wasn't available so I had another gf come over and she effed it up and went in too high on glute. I felt when she did it that it seemed too high and was about to tell her to pull out and re-pin me about an inch or so lower. but I thought maybe it wasn't that bad and just let her do it and she too forever! probably because she was just pushing the oil in ligaments and small low back muscle! At any rate, two days later I feel it all in low back on that side and nothing in glute.