2500mg of Sus a week for the last 18 weeks + Dbol + Tren + Winny + Nova....

[GymLift]

I asked him where he came up with this dose...and he said...go hard or go home...more is better...and other pros do this....so why wouldn't he??????......etc...

LOL. "Other" pros.

 

[GymLift]

I agree that it's very stupid to do more steroids then neccesery (who decides that anyway?), but some of the moral panic is rediulous. No one is bashing the competitors that does high doses, is theirs goals and needs more noble then smaller guys? I do not think so.

Never having trained and grown naturally is something that I don't respect. Gear is there when the time is right.

I don't know much of anything about the pros, but I would imagine that I would respect them because it took more than gear to get them to where they got. The top PL isn't determined by the amount of gear he uses. And I'm thankful for that. It would be a pity if the top guys where only there because they were the ones willing to put their health most at risk, with 20g of gear/week or whatever.

 

[puredrive]

I agree....so does anybody know where I can get my friend help....any suggestions....rehab.....treatment center....are these options????

 

[pushnpedl]

At his level of abuse it may be more of an ignorance thing. I'm glad my "concept" of gear is different. The only thing you can do as a freind is enlighten him.

Gear can enhance a frame but it is def. not the basis of one. In a case like his where it is the basis of his build, it will prob go away when he stops doing it. I doubt he can keep this pace up for long w/o his body leetting him know in some way.

 

[puredrive]

You would think his body would show him this is wrong....but for whatever reason it hasn't yet.....he has bad acne on his back....I thought he would be very bloated but I guess Novadex does work well because water retention seems low...other than that there are no signs to the eye that are noticable...probably not so luckly internally though....

 

[putin]

No I told him that he was killing his liver and internal organs....but I don't believe that all bodybuilders love there bodies or themseleves...like many BB's they do other drugs like alocohol and coke...some are very insecure....I don't mean this in a bad way...just stating what I have seen...anyway my friend has struggled with other drug problems and I think has transfered those addictions across....?????Nobody has seen this excesive behavior before???

Didnt know alcohol was a drug.

 

[putin]

i gotta agree with the board here. that is an absurd amount of gear to be taking for anyone at any level IMO. and no, 225 6'1 isn't terribly impressive. i lifted natural for several years and reached about 225 at the age of 25. i dieted down to 215 before my first cycle, and i am now on my second cycle and am at 248 at 6'2 with very low bf, abs very visible etc, but i still see myself as very small compared to some guys and will always try to be bigger. point is my two cycles were extremely modest in terms of dosages but i had excellent gains in strenght and size thruogh proper diet, training, and rest. to just throw shitloads of gear into your system with complete abandon for your health to achieve what could be achieved with modest cycles if not naturlaly is not only irresponsible but also life threating. just my .02

This ammount of gear is exactely what shitfitness.com recommends to grow. To their standards, that is a small amount of gear.

 

[puredrive]

Hey Putin shut the Fuck up loser....of course alocohol is a drug you...moron

 

[Mudge]

I mean, Arnold was only around 220lbs on stage, wasn't he?

235.

 

[Mudge]

I agree....so does anybody know where I can get my friend help....any suggestions....rehab.....treatment center....are these options????

You aren't his daddy are you? Express your concern without trying to be his father, and let him do what he wants. Take care of YOURSELF.

 

[Mudge]

Alcohol is a waste product, some may call it a drug others may not. In Germany Ginkgo Biloba is a prescription drug from topical to oral, in the US its an over the counter supplement with no expensive price tag attached.

Different people, different definitions.

 

[GymLift]

I decide if alcohol is a drug or not based on how it is used. If it is being used to get a high, then it is basically a rec drug that happens to be legal for those over 21 and not driving in the USA.

 

[putin]

Hey Putin shut the Fuck up loser....of course alocohol is a drug you...moron

Listen you stupid fuck, alcohol is not a drug.

al·co·hol ( P ) Pronunciation Key (lk-hôl, -hl)
n.
A colorless volatile flammable liquid, C2H5OH, synthesized or obtained by fermentation of sugars and starches and widely used, either pure or denatured, as a solvent and in drugs, cleaning solutions, explosives, and intoxicating beverages. Also called ethanol, ethyl alcohol, grain alcohol.
Intoxicating liquor containing alcohol.
Any of a series of hydroxyl compounds, the simplest of which are derived from saturated hydrocarbons, have the general formula CnH2n+1OH, and include ethanol and methanol.

 

[putin]

I decide if alcohol is a drug or not based on how it is used. If it is being used to get a high, then it is basically a rec drug that happens to be legal for those over 21 and not driving in the USA.

Most people would not define alcohol as a drug. Neither does the government nor the dictionary define it as a drug. I know how it's used and abused, but it is what it is. Alcohol.

Would you define "Rubbing Alcohol" as a drug? No, I didnt think so.

 

[string_bean00]

Can you even buy single ply toilet paper anymore?

Try the bathroom in a college dormitory.

 

[Mudge]

Would you define "Rubbing Alcohol" as a drug? No, I didnt think so.

Rubbing alcohol has something in it (thanks to the FDA) to make it non-consumable without making you very ill. I don't remember the name of the chemical as its not important to me.

As for alcohol giving a high (original poster), its a downer.

 

[lionhead]

Never having trained and grown naturally is something that I don't respect. Gear is there when the time is right.

I don't know much of anything about the pros, but I would imagine that I would respect them because it took more than gear to get them to where they got. The top PL isn't determined by the amount of gear he uses. And I'm thankful for that. It would be a pity if the top guys where only there because they were the ones willing to put their health most at risk, with 20g of gear/week or whatever.

Let me tell you something, Mr Olympia Bodybuilder Gustavo Baddell Went on the stage for the first time (And Won) after his FIRST 6 MONTHS of workin out in the gym. I dont think That even with the greatest of genetics you can win a contest after 6 months of training. So I have to agree and say that We all want to look like those guys on mr olympia but at the sametime talk trash about those who use megadoses (WHICH THEY ALL DO) The bottom line is If you want to look like THOSE guys you have to use MEGADOSES, everybodys genetic potential is different, some guys reach 250 lbs naturally at 5'8 and some struggle to maintain 220 lbs at 6'2, Thats life. Whether or not this way is healthy is a whole other topic.

 

[GymLift]

As for alcohol giving a high (original poster), its a downer.

Yeah, I thought about that when I wrote it, but I have looked up the definition of "high" and found this:

Slang. Intoxicated by or as if by alcohol or a drug, such as cocaine or marijuana.

Of course, this definition also kind of indicates that alcohol is not a drug.

Most people would not define alcohol as a drug. Neither does the government nor the dictionary define it as a drug. I know how it's used and abused, but it is what it is. Alcohol.

Would you define "Rubbing Alcohol" as a drug? No, I didnt think so.

No, I don't consider rubbing alcohol to be a drug. And I agree that alcohol is not a true drug in the sense of the common primary definition of a drug. But what about the second definition:

A chemical substance, such as a narcotic or hallucinogen, that affects the central nervous system, causing changes in behavior and often addiction.

Maybe it doesn't fit that definition either. I don't know. Like the definition for a chemical includes:

A drug, especially an illicit or addictive one.

Which brings us right back to the 'drug' definition.

So... fuck it, I don't care enough.

 

[putin]

Victory is mine!

 

[jes131]

Mranak, the first definition you have on that link is:

A substance used in the diagnosis, treatment, or prevention of a disease or as a component of a medication.

Alcohol, both rubbing and injestable, would definitely fit that category.

However, Putin does have a point with government not categorizing alcohol as a drug though that may just be government semantics for the sake of politics.