26wk Test/Tren cycle?

[Ymir]

Im planning for a long leanmass cycle and this is my thoughts atm.

The calorie intake will be around 3300-3600 ED im at 220 pound atm and want to keep that but get leaner and increase strenght.
Im quite short so i look kinda massive atm, but im also very bulky 25% BF or so.

The calorie intake will be higher the first 6 weeks and i will slowly start cutting it until the Tren kicks in, if needed ill cut calories below 3000.

26 weeks
1-26 400mg T-cyp/ena
1-6 Oral anadrol or Dbol propably dbol.
16-26 TrenE 250mg/w

This will be my 3:rd cycle and my first "real" cycle

My first was a Dbol cycle on low 25mgED or so dosage for 6 weeks and i gained about 20 pounds on it and got good str gains.

My second was a 4 week testo propionate cycle gained about 8 pounds on it i held back on the calories, lost some BF.

My goals are keep bodyweight loose some BF goal 15% but will be ok if i get massive gains, also a low dosage on the Tren E to try it out.

If u wanna give some cycle advices feel free to comment, im 25+ in age

i dont want to get carried away with the dosages on TEST/TREN since it's just my 3:rd cycle and i think i can get massive gains while still having my bulk controlled.

My post cycle therapy (pct) will be nolva/clomid/hcg(this ill kick in every 2-3wks) proviron.

 

[outlawtas]

Looks a little excessive... I thought your were going to run test AND tren for 26 weeks. Though that is a pretty long cycle. Make sure your getting proper bloodwork done every month after 3 months.

 

[GymLift]

The calorie intake will be around 3300-3600 ED im at 220 pound atm and want to keep that but get leaner and increase strenght.
Im quite short so i look kinda massive atm, but im also very bulky 25% BF or so.

You mentioned that you are short, but how tall (or short, if you prefer to call it that) are you?

 

[gators52]

Why dont you start the tren earlier in your cycle, like maybe week 8-10 that way if you can handle the sides you can just run it longer so you have more flexibility.

 

[Ymir]

You mentioned that you are short, but how tall (or short, if you prefer to call it that) are you?

Sorry im not from us or england so im not familiar with inches n foot, im just about 170 cm tall, ofc bloodwork and health checks is a must on sucha long cycle.

 

[Ymir]

Why dont you start the tren earlier in your cycle, like maybe week 8-10 that way if you can handle the sides you can just run it longer so you have more flexibility.

Yea sounds good you're right, it's better to start it earlier in the cycle.

Do u mean run it 8-10 wk's or run it week 8-10 in the cycle IE 2 weeks to feel the drug, ofc if i cant handle the sides ill drop the Tren.

 

[mick-g]

Imo, i would start the Tren E with the Cypionate, like say 500mg/wk of cyp(split 250mg Mon/Thur and 300-400mg/wk of Tren E also split and run it for 12-14wks total. No need to run 24 wks. Also, if you truely want lean mass, delete the dbol/anadrol and run Anavar (var) /stan starting in the middle of the cycle to the end. I did this combo on my last cycle Anavar (var) 60mg/stan 40mg for last 6 wks of the cycle. Of course i also took Liv-52 and plenty of water. You can also just use Anavar (var) or stan alone, but i took the advice of a guy i know that is friend with a pro bber and this combo will def work well.

 

[Ymir]

Oh, if it matters ill be more or less "free" to just train eat sleep during this cycle, it's also theyfor the kcal intake is alittle low since i wont be doing any heavy work on the side.

 

[Ymir]

Imo, i would start the Tren E with the Cypionate, like say 500mg/wk of cyp(split 250mg Mon/Thur and 300-400mg/wk of Tren E also split and run it for 12-14wks total. No need to run 24 wks. Also, if you truely want lean mass, delete the dbol/anadrol and run Anavar (var) /stan starting in the middle of the cycle to the end. I did this combo on my last cycle Anavar (var) 60mg/stan 40mg for last 6 wks of the cycle. Of course i also took Liv-52 and plenty of water. You can also just use Anavar (var) or stan alone, but i took the advice of a guy i know that is friend with a pro bber and this combo will def work well.

Never tried Stan TBH i have plenty of Anavar (var) it and can get it very cheap if needed, altho i havent used Anavar (var) yet since it is a waste when i got this bulk atm.

My idea was to bulk at the start of the cycle when running the androgens then "bridge" to the Tren Stacking part of the cycle. the testo itself is the bridge.

I have been thinking of finishing off with Anavar (var) /STAN but i think it will be too much for a 3:rd cycle, so im trying to find something that will work well and then build onto it as I progress, and my body keeps togheter

Ill be 100% shut down after this cycle so ill be off(from roids) for a good while after it.

 

[Ymir]

doh. i double posted heh

 

[GymLift]

Sorry im not from us or england so im not familiar with inches n foot, im just about 170 cm tall, ofc bloodwork and health checks is a must on sucha long cycle.

almost 5'7"

 

[conan the barbarian]

almost 5'11"

its closer to 5'7"

 

[Ymir]

Thanks for the replies guys, I got some things to think about

If im going to do a shorter Test E / Tren E cycle i need to do a short mass cycle, and to time it as i wish i need to get it started quite soon.

I'm also curious if i can push 20 more pounds of mass with just another 25mg ED dbol cycle.

Also with Tren E and Test E 2 injects / week would give better bloodconcentration even tho it is a long ester right?

 

[rjx]

I would advise against this cycle.

The longest you have been on test is 4 weeks and now you want to add 22 weeks? Take baby steps, not leaps and bounds.

You need to exaust the test only cycle as long as it works and then start adding dbol, tren, or anything else.

Besides, you need to see how bad you are shutdown and how long it takes to recoop after a 10 weeker before you even consider adding 16 weeks on top of that. Be smart. Be safe.

 

[Ymir]

I would advise against this cycle.

The longest you have been on test is 4 weeks and now you want to add 22 weeks? Take baby steps, not leaps and bounds.

You need to exaust the test only cycle as long as it works and then start adding dbol, tren, or anything else.

Besides, you need to see how bad you are shutdown and how long it takes to recoop after a 10 weeker before you even consider adding 16 weeks on top of that. Be smart. Be safe.

I do not understand with "as long as it works" as long as u add calories up the dosage it will keep on improving your mass, ofc if u can tolerate the sides.

Being "on" is not the trouble with Test its going off, already after my 4wk testo prop cycle i noticed bad shutdown this on a low dosage such as 300mg/week so Test shuts me down badly so short Test cycles is not an option.

I did not get much shutdown from Dbol cycle, I kept gaining strenght and mass even after i discountinued the cycle, the 3 weeks after the Dbol cycle my arm size increased with 1cm, I also lost 4 Lb's of water.

So i know Dbol is a "good" drug for me... but i dont want to go with orals forever.

I could just fekk testo for awhile and do some more low dosage Dbol cycles until its not enough considering gains/sides, in the long run this will lower my natural Test and I will get harder and harder to gain w/o gear.

With my goals i will propably end up doing all year around cycles anyway so yea atm it feels like why not start at once and i wont do the whole y0y0 thing on and off Test.

But yes i've read what u written and it makes sense in the "sane" world

I'm still in the planning stage of my next cycle, and thats why I posted here to get clear and objective view.

 

[gayasstexan]

why not cut it down to 16 weeks ive runa cycle longer than your thinking of but i didnt make that big of a jump.

 

[Ymir]

why not cut it down to 16 weeks ive runa cycle longer than your thinking of but i didnt make that big of a jump.

Yea atm, im thinking of actually trying a lowdosage Dbol/Var cycle proper post cycle therapy (pct) and rest good while before next cycle, and simply push the decision into the future abit ill get more time to think about it plan it etc.

Aha! thanks once more im a master at rushing into thing's and now i see myself repeating this.

I'ts a short mass cycle coming up 6 weeks dbol/var, ill try to push my gains to the limit w/o injuries or overtraining.

 

[gayasstexan]

yeah dont rush into anything some people really prefer the short cycles short on short off. know a guy who runs 4wks on 4wks off year around longer isnt always better its how you utilize the cycle that counts good luck and think things through you dont want to do more harm than good

 

[Ymir]

yeah dont rush into anything some people really prefer the short cycles short on short off. know a guy who runs 4wks on 4wks off year around longer isnt always better its how you utilize the cycle that counts good luck and think things through you dont want to do more harm than good

Yeah I hear ya, I must stick to my intial plan and test out different gear the first couple of years, and now im back on track.

And Yea i hoped i could work 4w on 4-8w off on testo prop but it shut me down like I was a Yak vs a flakcannon.

Well time to plan my Shortercycle, I have some NPP maybe i should take and try it out with Dbol, would prolly be good to test the NPP to see if it shuts me down badly too.

You guys will know what i'll do ill post a log on these forums when i get on, Atm i have been alittle sick so i got some work to do to get back in form before starting a cycle.

 

[gayasstexan]

why dont you try test e or c for 12 weeks and see how that treats ya