2nd cycle help

[moeme]

Here is what I was thinking about doing for my next cycle. First I was going to take of 6 weeks after my first cycle of test e only. Is that the right.amount of time?

1-12 20mg aromisin ed
1-12 250iu hcg 2x ew
1-12 400mg tst 2x ew
1-12 150mg deca 2x ew
1-12 25mg dbol ed
13-17 clomid 50/50/25/25


suggestion? comments? amoimts sound.good?
thanks for your help

 

[weights=life]

enough time off? yeah if you ran a 4 week cycle and had two week post cycle therapy (pct). generally you want to take time on + post cycle therapy (pct) = to time off just to make sure your fully recovered and letting your body catch up. But i suppose you could get back on with a month off if your blood work looked good after post cycle therapy (pct). but i wouldnt recommend it.


Now are you saying you want to run 400mg 2x week so 800mg/week and then 150mg of deca 2xweek giving you 300mg? you should stop the deca a week earlier than the test, longer ester. and you should wait at least 2 weeks. some might even say run the deca longer.

 

[tjkita]

deca

For a second cycle I would run the test around 600 and deca at 4 or 500. IMO

 

[smalsh]

If you value your liver I wouldn't run the Dbol for 12 weeks. Use it as a kick start weeks 1-4 at 30-50mg/day. And as weights=life said. Not nearly enough time off unless you have had proper blood work done before and after cycle to know you are back at norm.

 

[moeme]

1-12 20mg aromisin ed
1-12 test e 400mg 2x ew
1-12 250iu hcg 2x ew
1-10 225mg deca 2x ew
1-4 25mg dbol ed
1-30 gh 5ius 5on 2 off

14-16 hcg blast 500 3xweek
16-19 clomid 50/50/25/25

 

[Four1Thr33]

I'd go with uneducated. There on a hard road to TRT

 

[Dr. Steal]

No No No brother

Don't start dropping your dose at the end. Just my opinion and take it for what its worth but you want to keep your levels as even as possible throughout your cycle. Sides develop for a number of reasons 1 of which is a fluctuating test level. By week 12 your natural test production will be shut down and taking 200 mg is not going to get it going again only a proper post cycle therapy (pct), or a long period of time will (and for some people time does not even work).

Every person is different but this is what I would recommend.

something like thisthe time off of 2 wks is figuring you are doing test e or c of course)

wk 1-12 test @ 500 mg per wk
wk 1-10 deca @ 350-400 per wk
wk 1-12 hcg @ 250 mg 2x per wk
wk 12 -15 HCG blast at something like 1000-1500 mg per wk (some people like blasting hcg throughout there pct)
wk 14-18 standard nolva/clomid pct

 

[Four1Thr33]

your not supposed to take a SERM and HCG at the same time... so no, i dont know anyone who uses HCG through there post cycle therapy (pct).. and the BLAST is supposed to start once your bodys TEST drops to around 200mg .. and that all depends on the half life of your ester
your taking. test E and it has a half life of 14 days... so in 14 days your 500 your taking will be 250mg... so in theory u would want to wait about 16 days then start HCG blast and after like 2 weeks of that u wait 4 days i believe for the HCG to leave your body then START your post cycle therapy (pct)....

check out the more and more failed post cycle therapy (pct) thread
http://www.steroidology.com/forum/a...re-more-failed-post cycle therapy (pct)s.html

and the post cycle therapy (pct) doc he attacked is great..
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet...FmdHhQUEVBY0lva1BhYXMyUS1mNHJiVkE&output=html

 

[moeme]

thank you steal and four

 

[moeme]

ok four so when cycle ends at week 12 i wait to week 14 to start hcg blast then 4 more days to start.clomid?

week 1-12 my test cycle
week 14-16 hcg blast
week 16 1/2 clomid

 

[Four1Thr33]

Yes that is correct.. But I will say an arguable approach. Some guys start hcg right after last pin and others wait the aproperate time to let the test levels drop. This decision is up to u. But this is how I will be doing my next cycle. My first post cycle therapy (pct) failed

I also wouldn't taper your clOmid down. Its pretty important
The protocol I am following is 100mg a day split up. I'd say more the better. There's no such thing as overkill when it comes to getting u back on track faster

 

[moeme]

if you are doing gh with your cycle do you do the pct while your still doing the gh? asking since gh would run 9months to 1year and cycles only 12 weeks

 

[Four1Thr33]

With hgh u can run it your whole life basically. Just follow a 5 on 2 off timeing. But
I don't have very much knowledge with hgh. Used it
For 3 months and stopped because I noticed nothing at all and it cost a ton.