2nd cycle oppinions on my options

Phil Mc Win

Phil Mc Win

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Hey guys, it's been a while. Im planning my second run wich will be in a month and a half. Need opinions on this different cycles that I am interested in. Any and all input is appreciated.


1st option: Opt to do another test only cycle but up the dose from 500 mgs to higher for(12 weeks).

2nd option: 500 mgs test e(12 weeks) with dbol too kickstart(4weeks)

3rd option: test/dbol/deca


Want to know the gains kept from each. My goal is to retain as much of it as possible.

Stats: 23yr 6ft 223lbs body fat not sure but arround 15 for sure.

Following a strict 7 meals a day diet with 45-50 grams protein in each. Carbs in first 4 meals (all whole grain) accept for post workout i mow fruits., good fats in last three with veggies.

Workouts are 5-6 times a week very heavy and strict form. Been working out for 8 years strict. Been bodybuilding for 3(bulk then cut).
 
what is the perfect ratio to use test/deca at, and what is a good first run with them. Also, on top of aromasin, I have herd of prolactin products such as caber. Wich one is best, and should I run it from day 1 like my Aromatase inhibitor (AI). A little confused about the prolactin side from deca. Probly from a lack of understanding on deca. Can anyone help me out on this?
 
Phil Mc Win said:
what is the perfect ratio to use test/deca at, and what is a good first run with them. Also, on top of aromasin, I have herd of prolactin products such as caber. Wich one is best, and should I run it from day 1 like my Aromatase inhibitor (AI). A little confused about the prolactin side from deca. Probly from a lack of understanding on deca. Can anyone help me out on this?
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Well a good cycle with Test/Deca would be

Test C or E-600mg/week-16 weeks
Deca-400mg/week-14 weeks
Aromasin-start at 12.5mg/ed adjust if needed
Caber-.5mg E3D

Now with the caber,at deca at 400mg its just a precaution most of tthe time,only if deca doses are higher is when sides start to appear and if you keep your estrogen under control,normally you wont have any problems with prolactin induced gyno

this is an awesome stack,but at these doses,most of the time the sides are not as bad,and longer cycles,you will be able to keep more of your gains with correct diet without using insanely amounts of gear...

For prolactin sides you experience clear liquid from your nipples,sore nipples,no libido,harder to climax etc.....Myself i dont start my A.I or Caber until like week 4,but thats me.That decision is up to you,like i said if you keep your estrogen under control at this doses you shouldnt have prolactin sides,most of the time,but not everyone is this lucky,its just trial and error..


If I were you I would do alot more research on deca before starting using it,and just learn more about it and you should be fine for a 2nd cycle,i didnt use it till my 3rd,but everyone is different
 
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Phil Mc Win said:
Hey guys, it's been a while. Im planning my second run wich will be in a month and a half. Need opinions on this different cycles that I am interested in. Any and all input is appreciated.


1st option: Opt to do another test only cycle but up the dose from 500 mgs to higher for(12 weeks).

2nd option: 500 mgs test e(12 weeks) with dbol too kickstart(4weeks)

3rd option: test/dbol/deca


Want to know the gains kept from each. My goal is to retain as much of it as possible.

Stats: 23yr 6ft 223lbs body fat not sure but arround 15 for sure.

Following a strict 7 meals a day diet with 45-50 grams protein in each. Carbs in first 4 meals (all whole grain) accept for post workout i mow fruits., good fats in last three with veggies.

Workouts are 5-6 times a week very heavy and strict form. Been working out for 8 years strict. Been bodybuilding for 3(bulk then cut).
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My .02 is run tren a (200mg's eod) and test e (6oomg's/week) for 12 week. with a 250mg's deca/week. if you have masteron run it at 600-800mg's.
 
Kolossus said:
My .02 is run tren a (200mg's eod) and test e (6oomg's/week) for 12 week. with a 250mg's deca/week. if you have masteron run it at 600-800mg's.
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slow down bro..over 600mgs of tren a week for a second cycle??? what are you trying to do?

fortunately the OP sounds a lot smarter than to listen to that...you're 2nd cycle ideas look good bro. I'd say all 3 are good options.
good luck.
 
diggydev said:
slow down bro..over 600mgs of tren a week for a second cycle??? what are you trying to do?

fortunately the OP sounds a lot smarter than to listen to that...you're 2nd cycle ideas look good bro. I'd say all 3 are good options.
good luck.
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600mg's of tren isn't a lot... if you do the math. What is your experience with tren a?
 
Thanks bullseye, im a little concerned in the duration of the cycle. My last cycle was only 10 weeks. Is it risky to run for 16 weeks in terms of getting things going agian? Also I guess i should can the dbol idea? I like the fact of only adding one compound so this would be better also
 
Phil Mc Win said:
oh and can I run a fat burner such as ephedrine with this or this that counter productive or too taxing on the body
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I could see a ECA (ephedrine caffine aspririn, you probrably knew that) being safer than say clen.

I just think if you want to bulk, you should bulk. While I agree that lbm is important, the human body has a hard time bulking and cutting at the same time.

Phil, you look like a man who knows how to diet and all that. If you think you can handle your calorie intake with a thermogenic or another upper, AND still add enough calories to bulk at the same time, then do it man.

To put on just LBM tren may be more ideal. It can be done on the deca/test/dbol stack though, but its gonna be a challenge. Your call man.
 
Phil Mc Win said:
oh and can I run a fat burner such as ephedrine with this or this that counter productive or too taxing on the body
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No worries mate... any "fat burner" is shit. It will dehydrate you, tax your kidneys, and fuck with your cardio system... you don't need it.

The deal with dbol is that you will swole up for 4 weeks and then shed every bit of water weight gained and slowly lose the strength gains.

My .02 is to run tren and test and kick with winstrol... or run tren and test and mast. Deca is for girl scouts in regards to tren.

Carb cycle diet for 6 weeks to lose unwanted bf%. I can help you with this if you PM your email address. I assure you, you will lose fat if you follow the diet.
 
Phil Mc Win said:
Thanks bullseye, im a little concerned in the duration of the cycle. My last cycle was only 10 weeks. Is it risky to run for 16 weeks in terms of getting things going agian? Also I guess i should can the dbol idea? I like the fact of only adding one compound so this would be better also
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well with deca it takes so long to kick in and slow acting and the minimum most run it is 14 weeks,and yes the longer you run it the tougher the recovery time is,you might consider a 12 week run with deca,it takes probably 5-6 weeks to really kick in so it would really be up to you brother
 
I just posted on another post I should of asked here...can i run test E tren E safely for a second cycle. This cycle will be low carbs high protein high fat. I had a bad understanding of test deca dbol's use. It wont prove to be what I need. I read ded oaks post about low test say 300 mgs and tren a little higher. This sounds awsome to me because it doesnt create alote of estro, and the use of anciliries is low so less toxic. Ifu guys think this cycle is ok, could somone tell me an effective yet safe dose, as well as things like caber i will need to insure every side is in check. Thanks.. looks like im writing a novel today lol
 
Phil Mc Win said:
I just posted on another post I should of asked here...can i run test E tren E safely for a second cycle. This cycle will be low carbs high protein high fat. I had a bad understanding of test deca dbol's use. It wont prove to be what I need. I read ded oaks post about low test say 300 mgs and tren a little higher. This sounds awsome to me because it doesnt create alote of estro, and the use of anciliries is low so less toxic. Ifu guys think this cycle is ok, could somone tell me an effective yet safe dose, as well as things like caber i will need to insure every side is in check. Thanks.. looks like im writing a novel today lol
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I have not read DetOak post on test and tren but do know that "theory" (not his) is conjecture whether to run one higher than the other. Ask Det how many tren cycles he has under his belt and what his gains kept were.

I personally, from experience, think 600mg's of test and tren to be a good happy place. lol. Use adex as necessary eod or e3 days, and take cabergoline every 3-4 days.
 
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