2nd cycle: Sust, Deca, Dbol. I have couple questions

[warbird]

So I want to start my second cycle. First one was 750 Test-E for 8 weeks and 40 dbol for 4 weeks. I've gained 7 kilos and lost 3kg after 3 weeks of post cycle therapy (pct). I hope to start my new cycle within next 2 weeks.

What do you think of this?

1-4 week: 40mg Dbol
1-10 week: 750mg Sust (Well, not Sustanon (sust), but it's the same mix of testosterons called 'omnadren-250')
1-10 week: 300mg Deca

I have couple more questions:

- Should I up my deca dosage to 400 or 300 will be fine (Im very low on my budget) ?

- How soon I should start PCT?

- Deca is 100mg/ml and Sust is 250mg/ml. Everything in ampoules. How I should split my shots during the week? Like 200 Deca + 500 Sust on Monday and 100 Deca + 250 Sust on Thursday?

- Is it safe to shot more than 2ml of oil in delts ?

 

[cyto33]

a longer cycle on this is going to be better for you.
and deca i like a little higher for sure unless its just for joint care

 

[RJ]

i would do 1ml of sust MWF and 2ml of Deca on Friday. Deca has a long half life so once a week is ok since you have those stupid ampules.

I would do the Test for 14 weeks and the Deca for 12 at least.

 

[MotorIHead]

Looks pretty good for the most part. I would up the Deca to either 400 or 500MG/wk though. Like RJH said the length of the cycle needs to be longer. Sus Min 14 weeks I would shoot for 16 if u could, Deca min 12 weeks I would shoot for 14 if u could.

Sus is best with EOD injections. Deca I would run 2x a week injections. If ur low on budget though this isn't gonna work in the long run. The food ur gonna need to grow is gonna cost more than the cycle itself.

 

[warbird]

i would do 1ml of sust MWF and 2ml of Deca on Friday.

Deca is 100mg/ml like I said before. So I would have to shot 3ml at Friday along with 1ml of sust right?


MotorIHead,

are you sure that deca will not work at 300mg? Im very low at my budget and I spent all my money on that cycle. I also need to buy some protein, so Im totally ripped off.

 

[RJ]

Deca is 100mg/ml like I said before. So I would have to shot 3ml at Friday along with 1ml of sust right?


MotorIHead,

are you sure that deca will not work at 300mg? Im very low at my budget and I spent all my money on that cycle. I also need to buy some protein, so Im totally ripped off.

first off, you should never half ass a cycle. Get what you need for a full cycle or don't use gear.

now, you're gonna use this anyway, so you can split it up like this since you got 1ml amps:

MWF - 1ml of Sust 250
MWF - 1ml of Deca 100

Thats 750mg week of test and 300mg week of Deca, which is fine. Honestly you don't need that much test, but i don't want the math to fuck you up. lol

Good luck.

 

[Polynikes666]

I agree with all of the above. 14 week minimum for your proposed regimen. And bear in mind that although your proposed dosages are reasonable, this is a pretty heavy second cycle.

Poly

 

[warbird]

first off, you should never half ass a cycle. Get what you need for a full cycle or don't use gear.

now, you're gonna use this anyway, so you can split it up like this since you got 1ml amps:

MWF - 1ml of Sust 250
MWF - 1ml of Deca 100

Thats 750mg week of test and 300mg week of Deca, which is fine. Honestly you don't need that much test, but i don't want the math to fuck you up. lol

Good luck.

thx brah

I agree with all of the above. 14 week minimum for your proposed regimen. And bear in mind that although your proposed dosages are reasonable, this is a pretty heavy second cycle.

Poly

My first one was Dbol 40mg (4 wks) and Test-E 750mg (8 wks). It was alright.

 

[ECKSRATED]

Just do 250 test mon and thurs and save the extra to extend it 5 more weeks. 500 mgs a week of test is plenty. Just a thought since ur low on cash....

 

[warbird]

first off, you should never half ass a cycle. Get what you need for a full cycle or don't use gear.

now, you're gonna use this anyway, so you can split it up like this since you got 1ml amps:

MWF - 1ml of Sustanon (sust) 250
MWF - 1ml of Deca 100

Thats 750mg week of test and 300mg week of Deca, which is fine. Honestly you don't need that much test, but i don't want the math to fuck you up. lol

Good luck.

I was thinking maybe I should make my cycle longer if I cut down test a little bit.

1-14 week: Sustanon (sust) 500mg/week + Deca 300mg/week

Does it look better now?

And why people tell that you should use twice more test than deca?

 

[derek.d]

most guys run a 2:1 ratio to aviod "deca dick".

 

[Italiano SPO]

So I want to start my second cycle. First one was 750 Test-E for 8 weeks and 40 dbol for 4 weeks. I've gained 7 kilos and lost 3kg after 3 weeks of post cycle therapy (pct). I hope to start my new cycle within next 2 weeks.

What do you think of this?

1-4 week: 40mg Dbol
1-10 week: 750mg Sustanon (sust) (Well, not Sustanon (sust), but it's the same mix of testosterons called 'omnadren-250')
1-10 week: 300mg Deca

I have couple more questions:

- Should I up my deca dosage to 400 or 300 will be fine (Im very low on my budget) ?

- How soon I should start PCT?

- Deca is 100mg/ml and Sustanon (sust) is 250mg/ml. Everything in ampoules. How I should split my shots during the week? Like 200 Deca + 500 Sustanon (sust) on Monday and 100 Deca + 250 Sustanon (sust) on Thursday?

- Is it safe to shot more than 2ml of oil in delts ?

Yes on the Deca to 400mg EW. If you're using Deca and Sustanon (sust), you're pins are going to be all over the board if you want to do it right. Sustanon (sust) should be pinned EOD ideally and Deca more like E3D. Can you run them together? ABSOLUTELY but just a little more trouble than it's worth IMO trying to keep up with when to pin what. Test E or Cyp would go better with a long ester like Deca. If you're doing to do this with Sustanon (sust) and Deca, pin the Sustanon (sust) EOD and Deca 200mg 2x weekly (Mon and Thur maybe). I've shot 2.5cc in my delts so it can be done.

 

[RJ]

and Deca more like E3D.

sorry brother, but you're way off here. The decanoate ester has a longer half life then enanthate or cypionate, i think its 14 days. 1-2 times a week is more than fine with Deca.

 

[MotorIHead]

Deca is 100mg/ml like I said before. So I would have to shot 3ml at Friday along with 1ml of Sustanon (sust) right?


MotorIHead,

are you sure that deca will not work at 300mg? Im very low at my budget and I spent all my money on that cycle. I also need to buy some protein, so Im totally ripped off.

I never said it wasn't going to work. Just stating how ur proposed 2nd cycle should be ran for best results without hurting u.

Just do 250 test mon and thurs and save the extra to extend it 5 more weeks. 500 mgs a week of test is plenty. Just a thought since ur low on cash....

Negative..... Like RJH said, if ur gonna half ass a cycle don't even bother with it. I mean seriously if u have to save for 1 more month or so to get a solid cycle why wouldn't u ? But I do agree that 500MG is enough Sus for ur 2nd cycle.

I was thinking maybe I should make my cycle longer if I cut down test a little bit.

1-14 week: Sustanon (sust) 500mg/week + Deca 300mg/week

Does it look better now?

And why people tell that you should use twice more test than deca?

That looks fine, but if u could save a little more cash and get the Deca to 400MG/wk that would be better. I've never heard anyone say do twice the Test/Deca ratio. 100MG/wk more Test than Deca is fine.

most guys run a 2:1 ratio to aviod "deca dick".

Never heard of the 2:1 ratio before. As long as the Test is 100MG/wk higher than the Deca ur fine.