2nd cycle: Test E, Primo, Var cycle What do you guys think?

[SirSwole]

Hey guys, I'm thinking of putting my buddy on the following 3 compound stack, been researching but wanted to post just for kicks and to see what advice might be offered toward dosage, etc. Always open to advice/suggestions. My buddy is over 30, been lifting for a little while, this is his 2nd cycle. His 1st cycle was test at 500 for 12 weeks, gained about 12lbs I think. Acne only. He's about 5'9, 175lbs, ~15%.

Here's the cycle

wk 1-12 Test E @600/wk
wk 1-12 Primo @ 600/wk
wk 4-14 Var @ 60/ed

PCT wk 14-18 Clomid @ 50/ed

He did ask about using dbol to kickstart, while I'm quite curious about adding this in (with AI, of course) I wasn't sure it would work properly because he's wanting to lean up rather than bulk. What do you guys think??

 

[Megatron28]

Why aren't you recommending an AI or hCG? What was his E2 at during his first cycle?

Why so long on the Var?

Why no Nolva in the PCT?

I would only add one new compound to the second cycle, not two as you are proposing.

What will his diet be?

Why isn't your "friend" posting this himself?

 

[SirSwole]

Why aren't you recommending an AI or hCG? What was his E2 at during his first cycle?

Why so long on the Var?

Why no Nolva in the PCT?

I would only add one new compound to the second cycle, not two as you are proposing.

What will his diet be?

Why isn't your "friend" posting this himself?

No AI/hcg because its still mild enough and his sides weren't beyond acne on his first cycle.

I thought var was ran for 6-8 weeks (I realized I mistyped the time, intended 6-14, not 4-14)

I almost always use nolva but after brushing up on nolva vs clomid, it seemed the better choice for this cycle

His diet should be a clean one, him adhering to such is a different story. Hes not posting because he doesnt know anything about cycling

 

[SirSwole]

We decided to change the cycle though after finding how much primo was actually going to cost. Test/Winstrol will be the new cycle of choice

 

[Megatron28]

No AI/hcg because its still mild enough and his sides weren't beyond acne on his first cycle.

I thought var was ran for 6-8 weeks (I realized I mistyped the time, intended 6-14, not 4-14)

I almost always use nolva but after brushing up on nolva vs clomid, it seemed the better choice for this cycle

His diet should be a clean one, him adhering to such is a different story. Hes not posting because he doesnt know anything about cycling

You need to check blood work to see what estradiol is at.

PCT should be clomid and nolva

I recommend hCG during cycles to help prevent testicular atrophy which in turn speeds up recovery during PCT

 

[Onk]

Just do test and var over test and winny. Winny is for contest prep

 

[SirSwole]

Just do test and var over test and winny. Winny is for contest prep

Ya I spoke with him about it all and I think we're gonna go with test and var, win is just too much I think for him right now, given his goals and experience. I'm gonna repost with the new cycle later