3rd Cycle Please Advise

[shleprock]

I am trying to put together the first of 4-5 cycles. I am having trouble getting any Test. This will be my 3rd cycle and I'm looking to put on some lean mass for summer then start a bulk cycle in late Dec.

Stats:
28yrs
6'2
192

I started Deca on July 16th and planned on starting my test within about 1 week. I was supposed to get it the day after I got the deca but of course that did not work out. I was planning on Deca, Test, Winstrol. I have Winstrol (winny), equipoise, and d-bol but I want to avoid the d-bol because of liver toxicity/gyno. Any suggestions???

 

[Vegas]

Well, what are your goals for the cycle? What compounds have you used in your previous cycles?

 

[joltan]

Why did you start the deca without having anything else? 6'2 192 pounds and you have done 2 cycles? Send me all your gear now and I will use it for you for now until you know what your getting yourself into.

 

[shleprock]

I would like to gain a lean 8-12lbs. 1st cycle deca/sust250, 2nd dbol/test and maybe equipoise it was about 2-3 years ago.

 

[blackjack]

deca and dbol is a decent cycle. test would be better of course but deca and dbol is basic bread and butter, the liver toxicity from the dbol shouldnt bother you as long as you stay under 6 weeks and dont go over 40mg/daily. you wont be peter north in bed but youll be big and strong. make sure post cycle therapy (pct) is tight and dont slack off on it. deca is hard to recover from.

 

[Vegas]

Well, first off you are going to have to EAT. You can't build muscles without protein/calories. Obviously you aren't eating enough to gain of you are under 200lbs. Second, don't bother with the winstrol. You have to be at a low body fat percentage for it to be effective at what you want it to accomplish so I would stay away from it.

As for the cycle that you are going to run, I always prefer to run Eq over deca. You may have wished to as well since more often than not people report that they have less bloat with Eq than deca. However, since you already started the deca definitely stick with it. It would be pointless to switch now. So I would stick with the test and deca combination.

What amounts are you planning on running?

 

[shleprock]

Why did you start the deca without having anything else? 6'2 192 pounds and you have done 2 cycles? Send me all your gear now and I will use it for you for now until you know what your getting yourself into.

Ha, Ha,

A "friend" assured me I would have the test by the time I needed it. As for you suggestion I don't think I'll be sending my gear.

 

[joltan]

I think if your only trying to gain 8-12 pounds, why use? Just more health risks, and at 6'2 190 pounds its not very hard if your diet is in check, im sure you could put that on in 10 weeks if you dial in.

 

[shleprock]

Well, first off you are going to have to EAT. You can't build muscles without protein/calories. Obviously you aren't eating enough to gain of you are under 200lbs. Second, don't bother with the winstrol. You have to be at a low body fat percentage for it to be effective at what you want it to accomplish so I would stay away from it.

As for the cycle that you are going to run, I always prefer to run Eq over deca. You may have wished to as well since more often than not people report that they have less bloat with Eq than deca. However, since you already started the deca definitely stick with it. It would be pointless to switch now. So I would stick with the test and deca combination.

What amounts are you planning on running?

Eating is not a problem I was actually a lean 218lbs when I quit working out. When I started working out was 18yrs, 147lbs, and shitty genetics I started my first cycle at 24yrs 200+lbs.

My decs cycle is 300mg/week and the test was going to be about 400mg/week. remember I can't get the test.

 

[shleprock]

I think if your only trying to gain 8-12 pounds, why use? Just more health risks, and at 6'2 190 pounds its not very hard if your diet is in check, im sure you could put that on in 10 weeks if you dial in.

This cycle I want 8-12lbs of quality muscle overall I want about 40-50lbs.
Gaining for me is hard, not impossible just hard

 

[joltan]

Ok, well if I were in your position I would talk to your friend and see about getting the test within the next couple days, if not I would drop the deca and take nolva until you get your test. Deca by itself will shut you down hard. If you'd like to post your diet I would be happy to run over it with you.

 

[SABAGOY]

I love when people are like....I have been training for _years, been seriously dieting for _years, been researching for _years...but they cant wait an extra week to make sure they have everything before they start a cycle.

 

[shleprock]

Ok, well if I were in your position I would talk to your friend and see about getting the test within the next couple days, if not I would drop the deca and take nolva until you get your test. Deca by itself will shut you down hard. If you'd like to post your diet I would be happy to run over it with you.

1) 1/2-3/4cup oatmeal, protein shake, 1/2 cup fresh fruit
2) Protein Plus Power bar
3) sandwich on wheat bread w/1/4lb of chicken or turkey, apple, granola bar
4) 1-8oz can of tuna or 1/2 lb of fish/chicken
5) 1/4 cup almonds and yogurt (pre-workout)
6) 500 cal weightgain shake w/32grams protein (post workout)
7) dinner=1/2 lb fish, chicken, or lean beef, large portion of rice, pasta, or potatoe, and vegetable
8) caesin/whey/soy protein shake before bed

I will add to this towards winter

 

[shleprock]

I love when people are like....I have been training for _years, been seriously dieting for _years, been researching for _years...but they cant wait an extra week to make sure they have everything before they start a cycle.

I guess I should not have trusted my source, but wow thats a big help now.
thanks???

 

[SABAGOY]

I guess I should not have trusted my source, but wow thats a big help now.
thanks???

I wasnt directing this at you...sorry if you took it that way...IMO dont trust a source till they come through...Good luck with the cycle.

 

[shleprock]

I wasnt directing this at you...sorry if you took it that way...IMO dont trust a source till they come through...Good luck with the cycle.

Thanks for the reply I was just frustrated with the situation I was in, I've got my test now. One week late but I don't think it will screw my cycle up that much.

 

[joltan]

1) 1/2-3/4cup oatmeal, protein shake, 1/2 cup fresh fruit
2) Protein Plus Power bar
3) sandwich on wheat bread w/1/4lb of chicken or turkey, apple, granola bar
4) 1-8oz can of tuna or 1/2 lb of fish/chicken
5) 1/4 cup almonds and yogurt (pre-workout)
6) 500 cal weightgain shake w/32grams protein (post workout)
7) dinner=1/2 lb fish, chicken, or lean beef, large portion of rice, pasta, or potatoe, and vegetable
8) caesin/whey/soy protein shake before bed

I will add to this towards winter

a good rule of thumb for your weight is to get in about 45-50g protein each meal.

Meal 1: you will need more carbs here, 1 cup oatmeal should be ok, i would drop the fruit. i would switch the shake for 2 whole eggs, 10 egg whites. if you can't then make sure you get 2 scoops here.
Meal 2: the protein bar is ok, but you need to add some fats.
Meal 3: this is good.
Meal 4: add another can of tuna, you will need some fats here, I would add 1 tbsp mayoinaise and some lettuce.
Meal 5 pre workout: here you will want about 40-50 g protein and 80-100 g carbs, drop the almonds and yogurt and you can be creative and add eggs, turkey, chicken, or even 2 scoops whey, and then for carbs maybe some oatmeal, rice, wheat pasta, wheat bread. make sure you keep fats away from the carbs.
Meal 6 post workout: drop the weightgainer, here you can have 2 scoops whey protein, 1 cup oatmeal, and 2 slices of wheat bread. 32 g protein is not enough here.
Meal 7: this is good.
Meal 8: this is good but you need fats here, flax seed or fish oil will work.

 

[shleprock]

a good rule of thumb for your weight is to get in about 45-50g protein each meal.

Meal 1: you will need more carbs here, 1 cup oatmeal should be ok, i would drop the fruit. i would switch the shake for 2 whole eggs, 10 egg whites. if you can't then make sure you get 2 scoops here.
Meal 2: the protein bar is ok, but you need to add some fats.
Meal 3: this is good.
Meal 4: add another can of tuna, you will need some fats here, I would add 1 tbsp mayoinaise and some lettuce.
Meal 5 pre workout: here you will want about 40-50 g protein and 80-100 g carbs, drop the almonds and yogurt and you can be creative and add eggs, turkey, chicken, or even 2 scoops whey, and then for carbs maybe some oatmeal, rice, wheat pasta, wheat bread. make sure you keep fats away from the carbs.
Meal 6 post workout: drop the weightgainer, here you can have 2 scoops whey protein, 1 cup oatmeal, and 2 slices of wheat bread. 32 g protein is not enough here.
Meal 7: this is good.
Meal 8: this is good but you need fats here, flax seed or fish oil will work.

This is really helpful but I do have some questions:

Meal 1: Im not a big fan of eggs anymore so by "2 scoops" do you mean protein?
Meal 2: The almonds are high in fat just not saturated fat, would this be a good choice to add to this meal?
Meal 4: The mayo makes sense but why lettuce? Why not broccoli or a veg with more nutrition? Is this just your preference?
Meal 5: How long before my workout and what would be a good sample meal?
Meal 6: Sometimes I only have time for a shake, and this is only a 1/2 serving. Would that be ok or not?
Meal 7: Just add the flax seed or fish oil to my shake right, how much?

Thanks

 

[RonZoid12]

joltan's meal plan looks great but meals 1,5 and 6 need some changing.

as soon as you wake up you want to drink a protein shake with simple carbs b/c your body just went 8 hours with out any nutrients. This will be digested fast to put you body in a state of anabolism as soon as you wake up. 50g protein 30g simple sugar is good here. then 40min later you should have a meal with whole foods to last you until your next meal.

meal 5 0-30 before workout- 40-50g whey protein with 30g SIMPLE sugars (dextrose is best and it's very inexpensive) this is ment to surge sugar and amino acids into the blood stream to get ready for you workout

meal 6 immediately after workout- same as above this is ment to surge sugar and amino acids into blood to spike insulin so your muscles with soak up all avalible nutrients to initiate anabolism (muscle growth) rather than catabolism (muscle wasting)

also try and stay away from soy protein sources, i read somewhere it can elevate estrogen levels and decrease test levels.

 

[shleprock]

Having a protein shake as soon as I wake sounds like a very good idea, I would definetly agree with the need for the simple carbs.

Meal 5, pre-workout also makes sense and would be much easier for me, do you think the 40-50 grams of protein is that beneficial for pre-workout. I thought simple/complex carbs and unsaturated fat were more important

Meal 6 So a quality weight gain shake would be sufficient?

As far as soy goes I do not add a protein powder just soy milk. Where did you read about the soy was it in a milk advertisement? ha ha

thanks for the advice, please respond