3rd cycle..what should I take with TEST?

[horusculture]

I am 25 years old. I am 5'11, 220lbs and 15% bodyfat. I have done one cycle when I was 18. I ran test e @250mg/week for 8weeks. PCT was nolva 40/20/20/20. My 2nd cycle was when I was 21 and was on for 15 weeks. I saw good gains. I ran test cyp @375mg/week with EQ@400mg/week for 15 weeks. PCT was nolva 40/40/20/20. I should have ran an Aromatase inhibitor (AI) with this cycle hence I retained a little gyno. I was also very interested in using Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) with my 2nd cycle but didn't have the proper knowledge of how to. So, i left it out. Now I am planning my 3rd cycle. It's been about 3years since the last time I been on anything, but have been training all along. I am looking to run Test E @ 500-600mg/week. But having trouble figuiring out what to run it with. My goals are to bulk while on, but I want to take something the last few weeks to help kick off some fat and water retention. I also want to make sure I take an Aromatase inhibitor (AI) while I am on and I definately want to include Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) throughout this cycle. I seemed to get good results with test alone but I am looking for something to help me get more hardend gains. I just want to include something else besides test as well (if i even should). But i def want to take somehting the last few weeks while im on to help with water retention as well as shed off some extra fat. What you experts think?

 

[fancyhuh101]

im not recommending for to take anything it , but u may want to do some research into tren . anavar and winstrol are good for hardened solid muscle gains , as well as EQ . use an Aromatase inhibitor (AI) for for water retention , like aromasin or arimidex .5 every day whole cycle . As far as fat loss , that all gonna be ur diet .

 

[BigKevKris]

I recommend Masteron and tren with the test. Mast has anti-estrogenic properties to keep sides low.....I'd still keep Exemestane on hand personally. I am running 700 Test. 600 Tren, and 500 Mast......amazing

 

[horusculture]

I recommend Masteron and tren with the test. Mast has anti-estrogenic properties to keep sides low.....I'd still keep Exemestane on hand personally. I am running 700 Test. 600 Tren, and 500 Mast......amazing

OK. how long are you running this cycle? is exemestane a AI? what is your post cycle therapy (pct) looking like and are you taking HCG?

 

[numba1scrapper]

weeks 1-12 Test E 250mg Sundays and tuesday
weeks 1-6 @ 50mg split up throughout the day
weeks 2-12 Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) 250iu eod
Weeks 2-12 arimidex .5mg eod

Dbol will blow you the fuck up and give you incredible mass gains while giving test time to kick in, test is a cutter depending on your diet and the Arimidex will keep the water off of you... also look into clen.. Tren has harsh sides and masteron is real slow with gains imo

 

[horusculture]

Dbol will blow you the fuck up and give you incredible mass gains while giving test time to kick in, test is a cutter depending on your diet and the Arimidex will keep the water off of you... also look into clen.. Tren has harsh sides and masteron is real slow with gains imo[/QUOTE]

I know dbol is used as a jump start for a lot of cycles, but Im skeptical bc I want solid gains. I heard if you gain 20 lb on dbol youll lose 21lbs when u come off. Lol

 

[horusculture]

I Have heard great things about tren but if its harsh on the body I dont want it. Im looking to get the best possible results that are not as harsh on the body.

 

[codymx29]

If you dont want harsh dont think about tren. The smartest thing you could do is diet down to < 10% naturally and then run something like mast,npp,or eq with your test. Diet Diet Diet bro. You'll stay lean and add mass at the same time .Mast at your bf% now prob wont do much. Id say var is your best option with the test if you do it now. Just my opinion tho.

 

[horusculture]

If you dont want harsh dont think about tren. The smartest thing you could do is diet down to < 10% naturally and then run something like mast,npp,or eq with your test. Diet Diet Diet bro. You'll stay lean and add mass at the same time .Mast at your bf% now prob wont do much. Id say var is your best option with the test if you do it now. Just my opinion tho.

Ok I hear what your saying. Any other suggestions/scenarios?

 

[horusculture]

Wat do u guys think bout test e and anavar or anadrol for 20weeks? What would a cycle with these look like? Im thinkin of runnin test e for 15-20weeks. Should I include var or drol?

 

[horusculture]

Hows this look. Im leaning toward this..

Week1-15 test e @600mg
Week1-13 eq or deca @600mg
Week9-15 anavar @60mg day
Week17-20 nolva 40/40/20/20

Need help with dosage on an Aromatase inhibitor (AI) and Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) please. Never used eathier. Def want use them with this..

Thanks

 

[numba1scrapper]

if you dont like dbol, you def wont like anadrol for water retention/loosing the water afterwards lol... Test/dbol/Deca gave me the most gains I have ever gotten in a cycle, but I couldnt get an erection for moonthhs after the stop of the deca. To this day, yeaars later I feel like my erections arent the same, but everyone responds different i suppose.

 

[thades]

If you're going to run deca, I would suggest you run your test at least 100mg higher so as to avoid deca-dick.

Also, to avoid progesterone problems, its best not to use nolva for your post cycle therapy (pct) when you run deca(19-nor) on cycle. You are leaving four weeks between ending deca and the beginning of your PCT, which "should" be sufficient time, but still, why not just use hcg/clomid?

 

[horusculture]

If you're going to run deca, I would suggest you run your test at least 100mg higher so as to avoid deca-dick.

Also, to avoid progesterone problems, its best not to use nolva for your post cycle therapy (pct) when you run deca(19-nor) on cycle. You are leaving four weeks between ending deca and the beginning of your post cycle therapy (pct), which "should" be sufficient time, but still, why not just use hcg/clomid?

lol i def am not going to take deca then. i forgot about deca dick. which is why i chose EQ in my 2nd cycle. Does EQ give u erection problems too? I've heard excellent things about anavar. hows this looking..

1-15 test e @600mg
1-13 eq @ 600mg
9-15 avavar @60mg
17-20 nolva 40/40/20/20

and i dont know how Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) dosages work..

 

[codymx29]

lol i def am not going to take deca then. i forgot about deca dick. which is why i chose EQ in my 2nd cycle. Does EQ give u erection problems too? I've heard excellent things about anavar. hows this looking..

1-15 test e @600mg
1-13 eq @ 600mg
9-15 avavar @60mg
17-20 nolva 40/40/20/20

and i dont know how Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) dosages work..

I like this, eq and var should go together nicely. Id take adex or aromasin with this along with a clean diet id say you could lose some bf while adding quality muscle.

 

[horusculture]

I like this, eq and var should go together nicely. Id take adex or aromasin with this along with a clean diet id say you could lose some bf while adding quality muscle.

Great. This is going to be my 3rd cyle. Now, I need to figure out the Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) dosage and Aromatase inhibitor (AI) dosage.

 

[codymx29]

Great. This is going to be my 3rd cyle. Now, I need to figure out the Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) dosage and Aromatase inhibitor (AI) dosage.

I can't offer any advice there lol, im sure someone will come along.