4th week cut progress pics

[clman8585]

Nah cause he speaks the truth, I would rip clmn8585 apart
HOooooAh

 

[Chicago712]

Matt what's with you wanting to see everyone's pictures, u realize this a steroid forum why would any productive member of society want to put themselves on blast posting pictures. Anonymity is a great thing

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I know we've been thru some similar shit in the past and I'm glad you've turned your life around I believe you need some professional help your quite delusional thinking people on here are just trying to make you feel bad about yourself or something

 

[Matt0071]

Excuses man, this is gotta be the worst forum for disrespecting people without posting there physique, lol, and to be honest every forum I goto say otherwise about my progress so I know this forum is full of shit and people sit back posting shit without posting there physique to critique, bs
Like there gonna come on here amd seek u out lmao, and u can always crop your face outta your pics bro, what else do u need to kmow? EXCUSES
Grow some balls, post up pics or just dont post smuck, easy as that

 

[Matt0071]

If a chick said she was hot on the internet would believe her?
Somewhat some of u are like, post shit, incredible hulk bodies, without 1 single pic hahshaha

 

[Mrrippedzilla]

Also you look the same because whether you want to believe it or not your burning up muscle on such intensive cut even on gear.

LOL what complete and utter bullshit is this??

If your protein intake is high, training is intense (heavy weights) and your on gear - muscle loss will be minimal.

How "intense" the deficit is becomes completely irrelevant because the deficit SIZE is the same, only the timeframe differs. Physiologically your body reacts similarly on a 6 week large deficit compared to a slower, long deficit regarding muscle loss.
This is backed by science AND my real life experiences with clients. The only people who should be worried about muscle loss are the pros who are past their genetic limits - that's it.

I wont get involved in the back & forth trolling that is common place in all of matts threads (no one person is to blame here).
However, please refrain from stating an opinion like its fact - especially when its completly wrong

 

[Matt0071]

LOL what complete and utter bullshit is this??

If your protein intake is high, training is intense (heavy weights) and your on gear - muscle loss will be minimal.

How "intense" the deficit is becomes completely irrelevant because the deficit SIZE is the same, only the timeframe differs. Physiologically your body reacts similarly on a 6 week large deficit compared to a slower, long deficit regarding muscle loss.
This is backed by science AND my real life experiences with clients. The only people who should be worried about muscle loss are the pros who are past their genetic limits - that's it.

I wont get involved in the back & forth trolling that is common place in all of matts threads (no one person is to blame here).
However, please refrain from stating an opinion like its fact - especially when its completly wrong

Yeah well theyknow everything from dieting/ training to aas ripp,they neber post there diets nor there training but seem to kmow everythig

 

[cjm502]

LOL what complete and utter bullshit is this??

If your protein intake is high, training is intense (heavy weights) and your on gear - muscle loss will be minimal.

How "intense" the deficit is becomes completely irrelevant because the deficit SIZE is the same, only the timeframe differs. Physiologically your body reacts similarly on a 6 week large deficit compared to a slower, long deficit regarding muscle loss.
This is backed by science AND my real life experiences with clients. The only people who should be worried about muscle loss are the pros who are past their genetic limits - that's it.

I wont get involved in the back & forth trolling that is common place in all of matts threads (no one person is to blame here).
However, please refrain from stating an opinion like its fact - especially when its completly wrong

I think just about every reputable bodybuilding would strongly disagree with you. Seriously, this entire post is just ridiculous. So with your thinking, if I went on a 5 week cut eating 1000cals below maintenance it would not be any different than going on a 20 week cut eating 250cals below maintenance? Thats absolute bs. My body weight would be equal at the end but no way would my body composition.

 

[3ct]

Excuses man, this is gotta be the worst forum for disrespecting people without posting there physique, lol, and to be honest every forum I goto say otherwise about my progress so I know this forum is full of shit and people sit back posting shit without posting there physique to critique, bs
Like there gonna come on here amd seek u out lmao, and u can always crop your face outta your pics bro, what else do u need to kmow? EXCUSES
Grow some balls, post up pics or just dont post smuck, easy as that

 

[PrinceDianabol]

I think just about every reputable bodybuilding would strongly disagree with you. Seriously, this entire post is just ridiculous. So with your thinking, if I went on a 5 week cut eating 1000cals below maintenance it would not be any different than going on a 20 week cut eating 250cals below maintenance? Thats absolute bs. My body weight would be equal at the end but no way would my body composition.

I gotta back zilla here bro, i followed his advice for several weeks, dropped a lot of fat n water leaned out HEAPS in an incredibly short time frame and lost zero musclemass. In all honesty i probably lost some muscle, but completely unnoticable.

Dont knock it til you try it.

 

[cjm502]

I gotta back zilla here bro, i followed his advice for several weeks, dropped a lot of fat n water leaned out HEAPS in an incredibly short time frame and lost zero musclemass. In all honesty i probably lost some muscle, but completely unnoticable.

Dont knock it til you try it.

Sure, you can get more lean dieting in a very intensive caloric deficit but if it was the best way to do things you have to believe all the successful big name coaches would be doing it. You know, the actual professionals.

 

[Mrrippedzilla]

I think just about every reputable bodybuilding would strongly disagree with you. Seriously, this entire post is just ridiculous. So with your thinking, if I went on a 5 week cut eating 1000cals below maintenance it would not be any different than going on a 20 week cut eating 250cals below maintenance? Thats absolute bs. My body weight would be equal at the end but no way would my body composition.

I've done close to the exact experiment your referring to with myself & clients - and my point remains. People who disagree with it will have no scientific base, meaning they rely on broscience.

Physiologically - your body actually responds stronger based on the time you spend in a deficit.. In fact leptin levels collapse within 2/3 days of a diet REGARDLESS of the size of the deficit. The longer you take to cut - the better your body will be at adapting & slowing down your progress - ask anyone whos been dieting for a year

My knowledge is based on how the body actually works, it also backed up by "reputable" people such as Lyle Mcdonald - the king of body recomps. If you dont consider him reputable, maybe you haven't heard of him, then I suggest you do some research before disagreeing with my facts.

Also, many people on this board are aware of my knowledge regarding dieting, I do this for a living. You can either learn from the info I provide (I will provide research via pm to backup my points) or be a troll like others and rely on broscience - to each his own.

 

[noway55]

Sure, you can get more lean dieting in a very intensive caloric deficit but if it was the best way to do things you have to believe all the successful big name coaches would be doing it. You know, the actual professionals.

Some of them do. And huge deficits do work with the amounts of steroids and gh a lot of competitors use. It's not the best way, but it's one way of doing things.

 

[Mrrippedzilla]

Sure, you can get more lean dieting in a very intensive caloric deficit but if it was the best way to do things you have to believe all the successful big name coaches would be doing it. You know, the actual professionals.

Again, if you do some research you'll find that ALOT of them do.

Its not popular in general society because psychologically most people cant handle it. Nothing to do with what your body can physically deal with.

 

[noway55]

I've done close to the exact experiment your referring to with myself & clients - and my point remains. People who disagree with it will have no scientific base, meaning they rely on broscience.

Physiologically - your body actually responds stronger based on the time you spend in a deficit.. In fact leptin levels collapse within 2/3 days of a diet REGARDLESS of the size of the deficit. The longer you take to cut - the better your body will be at adapting & slowing down your progress - ask anyone whos been dieting for a year

My knowledge is based on how the body actually works, it also backed up by "reputable" people such as Lyle Mcdonald - the king of body recomps. If you dont consider him reputable, maybe you haven't heard of him, then I suggest you do some research before disagreeing with my facts.

Also, many people on this board are aware of my knowledge regarding dieting, I do this for a living. You can either learn from the info I provide (I will provide research via pm to backup my points) or be a troll like others and rely on broscience - to each his own.

My personal experience and that of people I know pretty much supports this. The one comment I'd make is that on decent doses of AAS (especially tren), t3, and other fat burners adaptation and slowing down of progression isn't a big concern.

The biggest difference I notice between a bigger deficit over a shorter time frame vs lower over longer time frame is flatness and glycogen retention. I'm much more prone to go flat on the bigger deficit. This can easily be fixed by something like adrol though. At the end the results are pretty similar, and I prefer to start with a small deficit and then switch to a large one for the final portion of dieting down. Also, on the larger deficit I'm not obsessing over protein. I usually get around 125-150g and I don't lose muscle from not eating 300g. Once you start reaching the mid singles you don't want to drag out the process any longer because it starts to become really unenjoyable.

 

[cjm502]

I've done close to the exact experiment your referring to with myself & clients - and my point remains. People who disagree with it will have no scientific base, meaning they rely on broscience.

Physiologically - your body actually responds stronger based on the time you spend in a deficit.. In fact leptin levels collapse within 2/3 days of a diet REGARDLESS of the size of the deficit. The longer you take to cut - the better your body will be at adapting & slowing down your progress - ask anyone whos been dieting for a year

My knowledge is based on how the body actually works, it also backed up by "reputable" people such as Lyle Mcdonald - the king of body recomps. If you dont consider him reputable, maybe you haven't heard of him, then I suggest you do some research before disagreeing with my facts.

Also, many people on this board are aware of my knowledge regarding dieting, I do this for a living. You can either learn from the info I provide (I will provide research via pm to backup my points) or be a troll like others and rely on broscience - to each his own.

I am very aware of who Lyle is, I do plenty of research and read studies often. At the end of the day, I look at guys like Layne Norton. Many do not like Layne for whatever reasons, but in my honest opinion he is undoubtedly the best in the business at what he does, and one of the most knowledgeable in the business also and it would be very tough for anyone to argue against that. Until I see guys like Layne Norton, Paul Revelia, 3DMJ coaches, Doug Miller, etc.. dieting their clients like you do, than I will have a very hard time believing it is the best way to do things. Dont get me wrong, being in a higher caloric deficit may work and get good results but in no way do I think it is the most optimal. But at the end of the day we each have our opinions and I dont think either of them will change so to each their own. Whatever works for you, right?

 

[Matt0071]

Sure, you can get more lean dieting in a very intensive caloric deficit but if it was the best way to do things you have to believe all the successful big name coaches would be doing it. You know, the actual professionals.

Who said 1000 cal deficit anyways bro, 15% deficit I am in, just very strict following my diet with some great help when I needed it the most, learned a lot and still learning from guys that know there stuff composed to guys thinking they kmow there shit but by all honesty there lost in dieting aspect as well
I never would of thought for instance diet pop would remain in my current diet, always thought it would hinder my fat loss progress but I was wrong, simple things like that u people dont know of until u try it yourself, as far as my weight goes I started at 209 and my weight today is 189.4, we will see tomorrow as it is my measurement day how much bf I lost

 

[noway55]

Layne Norton and Doug Miller lol. Wanna know their secret to diet? Tren.

 

[cjm502]

Who said 1000 cal deficit anyways bro, 15% deficit I am in, just very strict following my diet with some great help when I needed it the most, learned a lot and still learning from guys that know there stuff composed to guys thinking they kmow there shit but by all honesty there lost in dieting aspect as well
I never would of thought for instance diet pop would remain in my current diet, always thought it would hinder my fat loss progress but I was wrong, simple things like that u people dont know of until u try it yourself, as far as my weight goes I started at 209 and my weight today is 189.4, we will see tomorrow as it is my measurement day how much bf I lost

Matt, if you carefully read my post you will see 1000 calories was just being used as an example.

 

[cjm502]

Layne Norton and Doug Miller lol. Wanna know their secret to diet? Tren.

Which is completely irrelevant since I am referring to their clients and not Doug and Layne themselves

 

[Matt0071]

I do absolutly zero cardio, relie on my diet and training to take care of my fat loss, I keep my strength up
Hit by dorian yates, 1 warmup set and 1-2 working sets lifting as heavy as possible
45 min to an hour in the gym and the rest relies on my current diet