5 lawsuits, TRT linked to heart attack

[STAUNCHED427]

If they would just stop pushing gels/creams that would make a huge difference. Stick with tried and true injections.

And is it really that hard to learn how to manage hematocrit and estradiol? Donate some blood and keep estradiol in line by either using an AI or keeping your test dose low enough to not have too much aromatization.

Yep.

But, just because someone has a fucking heart attack and they happened to be on TRT, ofcourse it's easier to blame it on "steroids", typical ignorance

 

[anzel]

Maybe TRT enlarges the heart, maybe that can cause probs, but that takes time . If a 65 yr old starts treatment it would take years for the heart to enlarge.

Also, I had someone ask a heart Dr. about steroid use (as in blasting) and heart enlargement. The Dr. said lots of people who exercise can have an enlarged heart....steroids or not.

Of course having a friend ask a heart dr and the dr just making a general statement is not really something to go off but its a starting point...

When it comes to pharma the bottom line is $$$. The FDA listens to the industry not so much the other way around. Former big pharma execs sit on the board of the FDA and visa versa, I believe they are sitting on a cash cow, TRT aint goin anywhere. Plus TRT is very good for you and the truth will come out.

 

[meatmonkey]

What a fuckin joke!!! This kind shit makes my blood boil, the fuckin ignorance of our government. This has nothing to do with dudes having heart attacks from TRT. How many people die from liver failure due to alcoholism, or run over a pedestrian because they were driving drunk, or how many women get abused cause they drunk loser partner? Does the Government ban or make the consumption of alcohol illegal? NO. And how many people die from lung cancer from smoking or get COPD due to smoking? Are cigarettes ever gonna be banned, I fuckin doubt it.

A couple guys die from a heart attack that were on TRT and holy fuck, testosterone is the devil and will make you die if you take it, fuck that noise. How do we know that these individuals were drunks or smokers, or even lived a healthy lifestyle whatsoever? what they are trying to prove here is so flawed it not even funny.

"It found that men aged 65 and older were twice as likely to suffer from a heart attack after filling a testosterone therapy prescription" what a crock of shit, men that are 65 and older are more likely to have a heart attack no mater what they do, it s called old age!!!

It also found that younger men had three times the risk if they had a family history of heart disease. There was no additional risk found in younger men without that type of medical history. And what is that supposed to mean? what does this have to do with anything? NOTHING

Go ahead drink up, smoke up, hell go ahead and smoke crack, but your going to burn in hell if you use steroids!!!!

What a joke, were allowed to poison ourselves with a substance, but god forbid we use one to better ourselves, fucking sad man.

Didn't you know our gubment knows best, and we're simply their subjects... Yeah, my blood is boiling too. I'm on trt 200mg/week cyp. If some political whore tries to stop me from being able to restore my test levels, I may file my own fucking lawsuit based upon low t CAUSING:
Heart disease
Depression
Low libido (yeah, more depression)
Diabetes (yes, adipose tissue goes hand in hand with low t)
Alcoholism (more depression again)
Loss of bone density
Loss of muscle
Inability to concentrate/lowered cognitive ability (oops! I forgot to pay my taxes!)

I could go on... None the less, this fucked up government has ZERO RIGHT IN A FREE COUNTRY TELLING ME WHAT I CAN PUT IN MY BODY! Oh wait. With obamacare, I guess the gubment now owns my body. Damn, I'm aggravated! I can drink myself to dust; smoke my lungs out; eat KFC every meal til my heart blows a ventrical, but restore my own testosterone levels WHICH BENEFIT ME, is seen as pure evil... Yeah, if I have a heart attack, it will be from anger over ignorant politicians, NOT from replacing my own hormones!

 

[meatmonkey]

Unfortunately, the professional world does not reward GOOD studies but rather those that make the biggest splash.
Sensationalism is what makes the biggest splash, news stations have gone from reporting what happens to reporting hype & raising alarm. Doing so gets people promotions & more $$.

What we ultimately need is to have politicians put proper incentive systems into place.
Great video on it here, dumbed down for us "laymen" (part 1 of 3), highly recommend to anyone who wants to see bullshit like this disappear: Extra Credits: Incentive Systems and Politics (Part 1) - YouTube

Great post! Thanks for the link.

 

[Southernfish]

Didn't you know our gubment knows best, and we're simply their subjects... Yeah, my blood is boiling too. I'm on trt 200mg/week cyp. If some political whore tries to stop me from being able to restore my test levels, I may file my own fucking lawsuit based upon low t CAUSING:
Heart disease
Depression
Low libido (yeah, more depression)
Diabetes (yes, adipose tissue goes hand in hand with low t)
Alcoholism (more depression again)
Loss of bone density
Loss of muscle
Inability to concentrate/lowered cognitive ability (oops! I forgot to pay my taxes!)

I could go on... None the less, this fucked up government has ZERO RIGHT IN A FREE COUNTRY TELLING ME WHAT I CAN PUT IN MY BODY! Oh wait. With obamacare, I guess the gubment now owns my body. Damn, I'm aggravated! I can drink myself to dust; smoke my lungs out; eat KFC every meal til my heart blows a ventrical, but restore my own testosterone levels WHICH BENEFIT ME, is seen as pure evil... Yeah, if I have a heart attack, it will be from anger over ignorant politicians, NOT from replacing my own hormones!

Amen brother, its the same thing ive noticed as commercials on TV. You ever seen a commercial telling you to eat healthy, or spend time cooking your own meals? NO. All you see is, oh you dont have time to cook, order out, or go buy these canned tomatoes cuz you dont have 2 minutes to slice a fresh fuckin tomato, go get some fast food, its fucked how the powers that be do not want you to be healthy, or feel good. And people think its OK because there led to believe it is, bunch of sheep.

 

[STAUNCHED427]

Amen brother, its the same thing ive noticed as commercials on TV. You ever seen a commercial telling you to eat healthy, or spend time cooking your own meals? NO. All you see is, oh you dont have time to cook, order out, or go buy these canned tomatoes cuz you dont have 2 minutes to slice a fresh fuckin tomato, go get some fast food, its fucked how the powers that be do not want you to be healthy, or feel good. And people think its OK because there led to believe it is, bunch of sheep.

Yep

 

[meatmonkey]

Amen brother, its the same thing ive noticed as commercials on TV. You ever seen a commercial telling you to eat healthy, or spend time cooking your own meals? NO. All you see is, oh you dont have time to cook, order out, or go buy these canned tomatoes cuz you dont have 2 minutes to slice a fresh fuckin tomato, go get some fast food, its fucked how the powers that be do not want you to be healthy, or feel good. And people think its OK because there led to believe it is, bunch of sheep.

I'm just stunned the sheeple continue to vote us into complete stupidity
And for the commercials, yes, all men are shown as complete dumb fucks, couldn't boil water, etc., these dumb ass creams and gels are outrageously expensive compared to the injectable, but more and more docs have been intimidated into not writing the injectable as the gubment is scared a normal guy will turn into the fucking Incredible Hulk, and swipe down helicopters while toppling buildings... On top of that, yep, canned this, canned that, "mackdonald's," and the rest is about laziness, and about showing the sheeple how they "should" live. Yep, I sure trust the gubment... And I'm a prior Marine.

Btw, as I type this, I'm watching "food paradise" lol on the travel channel. Four fat asses just ate 10lbs each of prime rib. Now that's ok. Replenishing my hormones is considered evil. Unreal!

 

[Southernfish]

Man I could go off on hrs about this, Im pretty laid back but there some shit that makes me want lose it!!! Too many followers, and the few 'leaders' the world has has no fuckin clue their head from their ass, so now 99% of people are screwed. Im not a complete conspiracy theorist by any means but they is mos def some shit going on with this topic. And IMO it all boils down to 'lets not fix the problem, lets medicate it', because we make a shit load of money doing it that way. We make a shit load of money and were still in debt up to our eyeballs. Unbelievable. What we need to do is quit voting in politicians, that's the problem right there, politicians are criminals.

And yeah bro the amount of TV show that almost promote being slobs and lazy and useless blows my mind, and now that these slobs are on TV millions of other people wanna be a slob on TV!!!! Like that Teen Mom show, how many young girls are gonna go get knocked up now so they can be 'cool' like those girls. Bit off topic I know but it all boils down to the same thing here. Rediculous.

 

[olddawg]

I would help those girls become famous, though it would only work until they found out I was snipped.

 

[Southernfish]

I would help those girls become famous, though it would only work until they found out I was snipped.

baahahahaha, awesome olddog lol

 

[meatmonkey]

I would help those girls become famous, though it would only work until they found out I was snipped.

LOL!!!!! Made my morning!!

 

[Alpin]

This looks like big brother trying to bring T levels down and keep the population weak and depressed.
A lot of these guys don't have their blood work monitored right, docs don't encourage blood donations, it's a chore to find an endo that looks at Estradiol too it seems.

 

[Mprtz]

This looks like big brother trying to bring T levels down and keep the population weak and depressed.
A lot of these guys don't have their blood work monitored right, docs don't encourage blood donations, it's a chore to find an endo that looks at Estradiol too it seems.

Those chemtrails are full of phytoestrogens!

 

[DD55]

This looks like big brother trying to bring T levels down and keep the population weak and depressed.
A lot of these guys don't have their blood work monitored right, docs don't encourage blood donations, it's a chore to find an endo that looks at Estradiol too it seems.

My endo is sending me to a sleep study and asked me to quit all herbal supplements. Never once did she check estradiol and I even mentioned it in passing...

 

[Megatron28]

My endo is sending me to a sleep study and asked me to quit all herbal supplements. Never once did she check estradiol and I even mentioned it in passing...

Next time you see her, ask her "Do men have estradiol? If yes, how do they get it?". And then let the conversation unfold. Just keep using the Socratic method. Make her feel like she is in school again.

 

[meatmonkey]

Next time you see her, ask her "Do men have estradiol? If yes, how do they get it?". And then let the conversation unfold. Just keep using the Socratic method. Make her feel like she is in school again.

I know from experience, the problem is MD's are sadly extremely under-trained in hormones in med school. It takes finding an MD or DO who's decided to specialize in COMMON SENSE hormone-related work. They're out there. It's just rather sad it takes a bit of searching to find...

 

[Alpin]

My endo is sending me to a sleep study and asked me to quit all herbal supplements. Never once did she check estradiol and I even mentioned it in passing...

Yup!
The Conventional endo's don't monitor E2. They don't want to admit it either...
They know ADEX is needed to control Estradiol, but the bulk of them won't give it to their patients, so they can cover their own ass.

 

[diesel_3]

Some of those stats are mind bottling.
I also heard...1 in 5 men who get black out drunk at a club...take home an ugly chick.

 

[underpsi]

Some of those stats are mind bottling.
I also heard...1 in 5 men who get black out drunk at a club...take home an ugly chick.[/QUOT

fukn funny....

 

[Moppy1]

I read thru the paper carefully and I think we should all keep an open mind. Best I can tell there is no agenda behind this study, meaning no one is trying to make money or stop someone from making money. The scientists that conducted the study are at the NIH and they simply analyzed a database of all patients receiving a script for TRT, and then their incidence of having a heart attack. This is not the government trying to keep us down! These NIH scientists are not really "the government" they are more like independent contractors trying to publish and make a living by helping people. Scientists at the NIH did the same thing in 50,000+ post-menopausal women on estrogen-replacement therapy for incidence of breast cancer, and there was also an increase, about 2-fold. There was no agenda here either, other than to give people information when they start a new drug therapy. Almost all drugs come with some risks, even aspirin kills a number of people a year due to GI bleeds.

Best I can tell this is a legit study and the results definitively show an increase in risk for MI when on TRT, but only in older men. My guess is that the underlying issue is not the long-term effects of testosterone on the cardiovascular system (meaning more plaque formation in vessels, etc), but is simply related to swelling, bloating, and risk of clotting. This entire effect could have gone away if the patients were also on 1x a day aspirin regimen and an anti-estrogen drug. Even with all these factors, the overall incidence of MI on TRT was still rather low (very similar to the known increase in MI incidence observed in patients on Vioxx or Celebrex).

This study is well done and legit. As a community we should learn from reports like this and think of ways to protect ourselves (anti-estrogen and aspirin)