Orals can be ok but really no need for them unless you are competing in pl or BB. I'm not saying people shouldn't experiment but I tend to stay away from them these days. Dbol can be a great jumpstart to a cycle but after some years im not in any hurry I haven't touched any for years then recently started tbol. I get a lot of free stuff and have hundreds of dbol, drol, tbol, proviron all laying around so I'm getting tempted to add some in but chances are I'll use a little more of the tbol and give the rest away. I'll just leave them to the younger guys.