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I'm trying to decide what I need to do on my 7th cycle. I know I want to use deca and test but I don't know how much I need. Some guys seem to think you have to keep jacking up the milligrams of Anabolic Androgenic Steroids (AAS) every cycle while others say it's not necessary. Looking for some more input.

My cycles were: 1) sust & dbol 2) test, eq and dbol 3,4) test & deca 5,6) prop & tren.
lengths started at 10 weeks, eq was 15 or 16, all the others were about 12. Last year I just did the tren, both were around 100mg prop eod and 80-90mg tren eod.
The deca cycles were about 750mg test with 500-600mg deca

Currently 200, 5'11, 28 and around 14% bf. I won't start a bulker until I bring the fat down close to 10%.

I'm not sure how much I want to gain off of this. My high was 218 but I had more fat then. The last few cycles I never broke over 212 but looked good. However I crashed hard off of the tren (yes i did post cycle therapy (pct) and did it long) and lost mass plus gained fat. 225 lean would be great for me but I don't seem to bulk up that easily so not sure it can happen from one cycle.

Do you think I need to increase the test/deca above what I did in the past?
 
well you started off with a stacked cycle with sust and dbol... how many mg you use per week is totally a personal decision... if your gaining enough then keep the amount the same, if you feel your needing to gain more crank the mgs up some and start from there
 
theincredible1 said:
well you started off with a stacked cycle with sust and dbol... how many mg you use per week is totally a personal decision... if your gaining enough then keep the amount the same, if you feel your needing to gain more crank the mgs up some and start from there
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That's true it is a personal judgement call. I'm just curious about others' experiences. I mean you'll read about a young guy gaining 30 lbs on a cycle that isn't his first, he uses a gram of test PLUS other things, makes me wonder if it's the heavy doseages or his genetics allowing him to grow so much. Maybe I have a hard time because it's hard for me to eat more than 4500 cals/day. The training aspect i'm pretty sure i have down.

Also I forgot to say I do plan on trying dbol again, that i'll keep to 25mg (g?), what I did in the past.
 
Im on my 7th cycle right now. I noticed after the third I really had to pack in the cal's to gain. I started my first cycle at 26 yrs. old im 31 now. Started at 220lbs lean. After my second cycle which was androl 50mg a day test 500mg week I blew up to 260. I slowly have gained 10 lbs now but haven't hit my goal of 280lbs. When I get near 275 I start feeling uncomfortable.

As far as doses are concerned since that is what your ? was I would keep the test at a gram a week with some Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) and run some deca at 600mg and kickstart your cycle with some D-bol at 50mg a day. You should defintely still squeez out 10-15 pounds out of that. Im only running 600mg's test and 50mg's of Anavar (var) and feeling great here in week 3. Im a firm believer in keeping doses as low as possible and really focusing on your diet and training regimen. Im noticing better things with the past couple cycles like more vascularity and strength.

Just my 2 cents. Doses low, diet foremost priority.
 
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well if your not planning on running a cycle until you get your BF down to the 10% mark, your looking at having a total body weight of about 190lbs or so... so a goal of 225 lean, is a very lofty one (as you already stated)... Test and Deca seem to be the #1 mass stack around so I would stick with them, and maybe throw in some Test P to kick it off...

As for the D-Bol and the mg's/wk of each compound, thats up to you and you only... your the only one who knows what is going to really work for you
 
im doing winstrul and dnp. is it true your body can over heat and you could die on dnp if you take too much in one dosage? i heard that before. just hoping someone could clarify that for me.
 
Dlove said:
Im on my 7th cycle right now. I noticed after the third I really had to pack in the cal's to gain. I started my first cycle at 26 yrs. old im 31 now. Started at 220lbs lean. After my second cycle which was androl 50mg a day test 500mg week I blew up to 260. I slowly have gained 10 lbs now but haven't hit my goal of 280lbs. When I get near 275 I start feeling uncomfortable.

As far as doses are concerned since that is what your ? was I would keep the test at a gram a week with some Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) and run some deca at 600mg and kickstart your cycle with some D-bol at 50mg a day. You should defintely still squeez out 10-15 pounds out of that. Im only running 600mg's test and 50mg's of Var and feeling great here in week 3. Im a firm believer in keeping doses as low as possible and really focusing on your diet and training regimen. I noticing better things with the past couple cycles like more vascularity and strength.

Just my 2 cents. Doses low, diet foremost priority.
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Damn you're BIG!!
Thanks bud.. hmm.. a gram of test, sounds like a lot. I could try that. I'm with you in noticing the increased strength and vascularity as I've progressed, esp. with tren. Even on a lower dose I'll get back to 212 or 215 pretty quick, it's passing that that's tough.

Curious Dlove, how much do you eat for that kinda weight? and do you remember what you ate back when you were 220?
 
yolandaniko3360 said:
im doing winstrul and dnp. is it true your body can over heat and you could die on dnp if you take too much in one dosage? i heard that before. just hoping someone could clarify that for me.
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yeah man, it happens all the time... 1/4 people who use Winstrol and DNP die because of excess body temperature... be careful, always have a thermometer handy and check your temp every 2 hours

and next time start your own thread
 
Ok first off i have not done this before so i am just speaking on resurch experience, but if i was you i would roll a cycle like this...

1-15 test 750mg/week
1-12 deca 600mg/week
1-14 EQ 400mg/week --------> EQ is just for red blood cell increese and appetite 1-4 Androl 50mg/ed stimulant.
1-6 D-bol 30mg/ed --------> Runing a lower dose of both androl and d-bol will have less sides and better gains then just one of the compunds at a higher dose.

This way we are keeping the doses relatively low and maximizing gains. You may not feel that the d-bol / androl is needed in that case you can just drop the drol and keep the d-bol at 30mg/day.
 
Stangostrone said:
Ok first off i have not done this before so i am just speaking on resurch experience, but if i was you i would roll a cycle like this...

1-15 test 750mg/week
1-12 deca 600mg/week
1-14 EQ 400mg/week --------> EQ is just for red blood cell increese and appetite 1-4 Androl 50mg/ed stimulant.
1-6 D-bol 30mg/ed --------> Runing a lower dose of both androl and d-bol will have less sides and better gains then just one of the compunds at a higher dose.

This way we are keeping the doses relatively low and maximizing gains. You may not feel that the d-bol / androl is needed in that case you can just drop the drol and keep the d-bol at 30mg/day.
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I can appreciate the EQ for appetite and RBC count, but unfortunately most of us are not made out of money and the small gains that one would get are probably not worth the extra expense of the EQ... I would either run it at a higher dose or drop it all together
 
constructor said:
That's true it is a personal judgement call. I'm just curious about others' experiences. I mean you'll read about a young guy gaining 30 lbs on a cycle that isn't his first, he uses a gram of test PLUS other things, makes me wonder if it's the heavy doseages or his genetics allowing him to grow so much. Maybe I have a hard time because it's hard for me to eat more than 4500 cals/day. The training aspect i'm pretty sure i have down.

Also I forgot to say I do plan on trying dbol again, that i'll keep to 25mg (g?), what I did in the past.
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Age is a factor and a big one in my mind.. a 18 year old wont gain near the size a 25 year old would from a cycle of a test in my mind.. And one big reason is the time training and how long your diet has been in place.. You would notice if u went to a weight room a 17 year old wouldnt have near the form a 25 year old would most likely.
 
If the EQ gets him to be able to eat 5000+ CAL a day, the benifit would be HUGE b/c it would increase the gains seen by all the compounds. He said he is haveing truble eating enoff witch would inhibit his gains makeing it a small price to pay for the EQ. He would see better gains by raiseing his CAL intake then adding another 250test to his cycle and the cost would be about the same.
 
well guys, my experience is that eq has absolutely no impact on appetite, I think if anybody does feel an increase it's simply the placebo effect because they think it should do so... It definitely WON'T make you so hungry that you throw down an extra 2000 cals like it's nothing..

also, rbc count and eq? where'd you get that info? I'm pretty sure all testosterones and derivatives increase rbc count slightly
 
I disagree, when I took EQ back a couple years ago my appetite was increased from EQ by itself.. Im sure it isnt going to increase it as test would, but you would notice the appetite increase in my mind..
 
You would nearly have to pourposly overdose to die.. It takes 4x the recommended dose to die from DNP... The most important thing while using DNP is to keep carb intake up while using DNP.. But you will crave carbs on DNP so that wont be really hard.. to help keep side effects down heres a couple things to help you...

1) Keep carbs up
2) drink ATLEAST 2 gallons of water per day
3) use multivitamins
4) take some energy supplements, energy bars would work.
 
The following is strait out of the Drug profile for EQ...."In the veterinary feild Equipoise is most commonly used on horses, exhibiting a pronounced effect on lean bodyweight, appetite and general disposition of the animal. As with all steroids, this compound shows a marked ability for increasing red blood cell production". Being that it is for veterinary use these tests have not been done on humans but people notice increased oxygen intake well on EQ witch would be the cause of increased RBC.
 
ok.. let's get back on track..

when you've got several cycles under your belt, do you need to start increasing Anabolic Androgenic Steroids (AAS) to really large quantities to bulk more? Interested in personal experiences here.
 
Once again its personal decision.. If your not reacting as well upper the dosage, if you continue to grow at that dosage dont change it..
 
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