A caution about austinite's weight loss stack

[blaj]

It is probably no longer online but austinite suggested a weight loss stack combining the use of

Chromium picolinate at 800 mg per day (I believe)
Synephrine at 10 to 20 mg per day
EGCg at (I think) 600 mg per day

I have been running that for a little while and it does seem to work but I came across this tonight

Discovery Health "How Chromium Picolinate Works"

And according to this Chromium picolinate has been linked to DNA mutation and cancer....

Something to really think about.

Any opinions on this guys ?

 

[ajntorinj]

I have not read the article, but it is probably a better idea to "really think about" the phrase "has been linked to" and how devoid of meaning it really is.

 

[DreDay187]

So the study this was based on is by an author who has numerous other articles against chromium picolinate and his main study was done on drosophila, a type of fruit fly. Not only was the study not done on humans but the study actually says adult drosophila avoided the carcinogenic and DNA mutation side effects. It's safe to assume most of the people following Austinite's recommendation are adults ad not children.

 

[Austin1]

So the study this was based on is by an author who has numerous other articles against chromium picolinate and his main study was done on drosophila, a type of fruit fly. Not only was the study not done on humans but the study actually says adult drosophila avoided the carcinogenic and DNA mutation side effects. It's safe to assume most of the people following Austinite's recommendation are adults ad not children.

Thanks.

There's nothing unsafe about the stack. This was not put together overnight. It's endless trial and error, blood work, research and much more. The sole purpose of this stack was to find a safer and effective alternative to ECA and it succeeded. The doses are extremely strategic.

Everything can kill you. Look at the side effects of vitamin C. Apparently you'll get cancer.

 

[DreDay187]

Thanks.

There's nothing unsafe about the stack. This was not put together overnight. It's endless trial and error, blood work, research and much more. The sole purpose of this stack was to find a safer and effective alternative to ECA and it succeeded. The doses are extremely strategic.

Everything can kill you. Look at the side effects of vitamin C. Apparently you'll get cancer.

Not only that but chromium picolinate is used by diabetics to help lower blood glucose levels, and in many numerous studies it is "well tolerated" at up to 1000mcg/day supplementation for up to 6months. WebMD and a few other sources state "chromium picolinate" is safe and relatively side effect free when used for less than 6months. How many ppl will realistically be cutting and using over 1000mcg for more than 6months?

 

[Austin1]

Not only that but chromium picolinate is used by diabetics to help lower blood glucose levels, and in many numerous studies it is "well tolerated" at up to 1000mcg/day supplementation for up to 6months. WebMD and a few other sources state "chromium picolinate" is safe and relatively side effect free when used for less than 6months. How many ppl will realistically be cutting and using over 1000mcg for more than 6months?

Very true. Sugar relation was 70 percent of chromium's purpose in the stack. Hence why everyone on it has no sweet tooth. The remaining percentage are metabolic pathway relations between the compounds for a synergetic effect. You wouldn't believe how far I chased down these pathways.

 

[enzo321]

If it was a serious issue the FDA wouldn't sell such drugs.

Personally I would just use ephedrine over Synephrine as the thermodynamic properties are high, though comes with more sides - personally stims do nothing to me.

 

[Austin1]

Ephedrine is unsafe compared to synephrine. That's why E was replaced. The purpose was a safer stack, so not sure why Ephedrine would be used here. Ephedrine belongs in ECA (which is garbage), not with these compounds.

 

[enzo321]

Ephedrine is unsafe compared to synephrine. That's why E was replaced. The purpose was a safer stack, so not sure why Ephedrine would be used here. Ephedrine belongs in ECA (which is garbage), not with these compounds.

I'm aware - syn doesn't directly affect the brain if I recall. I personally wouldn't call the ECA crap; it's not a "Fat burner stack", but more of an appetite suppressant stack.

I just prefer ephedrine as it does truly work - not entire educated on whether you need a particular alkaloid for syn-ephedrine to work, or if simply the extract will work.

For example, the supplement industry still sells "ephedrine", but not the actually alkaloids, which you need, but the extract which does nothing.

 

[Austin1]

You said stimulants don't work for you. So not sure what you're referencing. You're not indicating any experience with synephrine, so again, not sure where the comparison is coming from. Synephrine stimulates alphas heavily, and betas lightly. Ephedrine does the exact opposite. We skip the heaviness of ephedrine and let synephrine work later in it's metabolic journey. There's over 100 users (that I know of), 20+ logs and not one single complaint. 100% of users who switched from ECA to my stack chose my stack for it's silent effects.

The extract works on it's own, not remotely as well with the remainder of the stack. Supplement industry sells ephedrine because it's been studied, tested, etc... My stack is my research and it never existed and I can assure you, no one on earth has done the extensive work that I have here.

Try it before you knock it. That seems fair to me.

Trenbolone does not affect me whatsoever, this is why I don't hand out advice on trenbolone... wouldn't make sense. Research, experience, advice. That's how it usually goes, for me at least. We can all be objective for no reason... doesn't make it right.

 

[toco]

You said stimulants don't work for you. So not sure what you're referencing. You're not indicating any experience with synephrine, so again, not sure where the comparison is coming from. Synephrine stimulates alphas heavily, and betas lightly. Ephedrine does the exact opposite. We skip the heaviness of ephedrine and let synephrine work later in it's metabolic journey. There's over 100 users (that I know of), 20+ logs and not one single complaint. 100% of users who switched from ECA to my stack chose my stack for it's silent effects.

The extract works on it's own, not remotely as well with the remainder of the stack. Supplement industry sells ephedrine because it's been studied, tested, etc... My stack is my research and it never existed and I can assure you, no one on earth has done the extensive work that I have here.

Try it before you knock it. That seems fair to me.

Trenbolone does not affect me whatsoever, this is why I don't hand out advice on trenbolone... wouldn't make sense. Research, experience, advice. That's how it usually goes, for me at least. We can all be objective for no reason... doesn't make it right.

WTF, when did u come back to these forums? What happened to your other account?

 

[Austin1]

WTF, when did u come back to these forums? What happened to your other account?

I don't know. Cant log in. No big deal.

 

[toco]

I don't know. Cant log in. No big deal.

Welcome back mate!

 

[enzo321]

Supplement industry sells ephedrine because it's been studied, tested, etc...

The supplement industry doesn't sell the "real" ephedrine - it's illegal if marketed as anything other than an decongestant(assuming we're talking Murica).

This isn't what it says it is.

Hi-Tech Lipodrene with Ephedra - IllPumpYouUp.com

 

[Austin1]

Supplement industry does not solely exist in the US and Canada.

 

[enzo321]

Supplement industry does not solely exist in the US and Canada.

Valid.

I just don't see ephedrine as "dangerous" (assuming you're not a dumb ass and swallow an entire pack of 30+ pills). I guess you're more into being optimal - I simply wouldn't use syn as it's less potent than ephedrine and cost-per-overall result/progress syn is more expensive.

 

[Alpin]

Ephedrine is unsafe compared to synephrine. That's why E was replaced. The purpose was a safer stack, so not sure why Ephedrine would be used here. Ephedrine belongs in ECA (which is garbage), not with these compounds.

what is wrong with ephedrine ?
I ran it off and on for 2 years...
16 mg before cardio workout.

 

[Austin1]

Valid.
I just don't see ephedrine as "dangerous" (assuming you're not a dumb ass and swallow an entire pack of 30+ pills). I guess you're more into being optimal - I simply wouldn't use syn as it's less potent than ephedrine and cost-per-result cheaper.

You have no experience. Admittedly. Nonsensical objections to be honest. I don't see how you can shoot down years of hard work with no experience and understanding of how the two compounds differ whatsoever.

You can say "I just don't see how" all day long. Try researching. Some of the things I found cannot be found online or at your local library. I, personally found it. You'll understand soon enough.

 

[enzo321]

what is wrong with ephedrine ?
I ran it off and on for 2 years...
16 mg before cardio workout.

Raises blood pressure, causes ED, sleeplessness, it's a pretty "hardcore" stim in comparison to caffeine and other basic stimulants. The main reason it's banned in America is we have a lot of people who think "OMG one pill worked great. Two must work 2x better!".

 

[halfwit]

Very true. Sugar relation was 70 percent of chromium's purpose in the stack. Hence why everyone on it has no sweet tooth. The remaining percentage are metabolic pathway relations between the compounds for a synergetic effect. You wouldn't believe how far I chased down these pathways.

Absolutely can confirm this as a type II diabetic. Cinnamon w/chromium picolinate is DEFINITELY recommended and is even often sold in the diabetic section of most pharmacies. I've yet to see anything Austinite say come back as incorrect to be honest. NOW STAY! Or it's the gimp suit for Dre again!