A few questions from a beginner

[BostonShaun]

Long time lurker, first post. I want to make sure I do this right because I've seen way to many people just ask stupid questions without giving any info regarding themselves. I've garnered a lot of info from here, but there are still some areas that I have questions about before I go any further with this. I've also ordered my first blood test kit.

Age: 30
Height: 6'1
Weight: 215lbs
BF%: 17-19%
Gym: Steady for about 3 years now. (5x week, 2x off. About 1 1/2 of lifting, 20-30 min. cardio)
Diet: Mostly in check. I do have my cheat-days, but currently maintaining at about 2400cal (clean food... no junk/fast food. I cook almost everything I eat myself.)

So my question is, how does the PSL beginner cycle stack up? I like the idea of having everything in one, easy to coordinate kit. Also, would Nolva be something that should be on hand for PCT as well with this?

3 vials Testosterone Enanthate 250mg/ml 10ml/vial
2 amps HCG 5000 iu/amp
1 bag Aromasin 20mg/tab, 50 tabs/bag
1 bag Tamoxifen 20mg/tab, 50 tabs/bag
1 bag Clomid 50mg/tab, 50 tabs/bag

 

[Megatron28]

Nolva is the brand name for Tamoxifen. They are the same thing.

Looks like they would have everything you need for a good first cycle except the needles and BAC Water. And make sure you know what blood work to run and when.

You should try to get your BF% below 15% before starting a cycle. This will help reduce unwanted negative side effects like high aromatization.

 

[hiram1st]

Looks good you might want to get 2 bags of aromasin as halfwit eludes to in his post on this thread you might run out:

http://www.steroidology.com/forum/a...4-how-start-your-first-cycle.html#post3592863

 

[BostonShaun]

Thanks for the quick replies. I can't believe I overlooked the fact that Nolva/Taxo is the same thing. Just goes to show how easily something can be missed.

Chicago... you say I can get the pins and BAC from "RUI"... could you lead me in the right direction? Not sure what RUI is..

Hiram, will def. add a second bag based on the suggestion. I would rather have everything on hand rather than find out half way through I need something and have to wait for delivery.

 

[ADenver]

RUI doesnt have pins or bac water right now. Plenty of other sources for these things, a google search will get you them.

I would pick up an empty sealed sterile vial from RUI or another place though. Makes mixing your HCG easier (if you don't feel confident in dealing with freezing slin pins with small amounts. Lots of ways to skin that one.

 

[Hypnotix]

Thanks for the quick replies. I can't believe I overlooked the fact that Nolva/Taxo is the same thing. Just goes to show how easily something can be missed.

Chicago... you say I can get the pins and BAC from "RUI"... could you lead me in the right direction? Not sure what RUI is..

Hiram, will def. add a second bag based on the suggestion. I would rather have everything on hand rather than find out half way through I need something and have to wait for delivery.

Well, RUI has been out of needles, syringes, and I think BAC water for a while. These can all be found on medical supply websites. That will take a simple Google search, and of course a follow-up search on whether the site is legitimate or not.

Everything looks good. I would add NAC at 1200mg a day. GNC has 600mg tabs .

 

[hiram1st]

Thanks for the quick replies. I can't believe I overlooked the fact that Nolva/Taxo is the same thing. Just goes to show how easily something can be missed.

Chicago... you say I can get the pins and BAC from "RUI"... could you lead me in the right direction? Not sure what RUI is..

Hiram, will def. add a second bag based on the suggestion. I would rather have everything on hand rather than find out half way through I need something and have to wait for delivery.

RUI the box up at the top of the page with the lion on it.

 

[BostonShaun]

So I've been working on getting my BF% down (currently sitting at 14%), and I am ready to place my order with PSL, just one final question.

They offer vials of sterile water to use with the HCG... how many would I need?

 

[BostonShaun]

Also, for reference, I up'ed the amount of Aromasin based on your suggestions

3 vials Testosterone Enanthate 250mg/ml 10ml/vial
2 amps HCG 5000 iu/amp
2 bag Aromasin 20mg/tab, 50 tabs/bag
1 bag Tamoxifen 20mg/tab, 50 tabs/bag
1 bag Clomid 50mg/tab, 50 tabs/bag


Now just need to figure out syringes (probably going with glute injections, so 23g, 1.5'' 3cc syringes and HCG/Sterile water (amount of sterile water, ect.)

 

[ADenver]

Now just need to figure out syringes (probably going with glute injections, so 23g, 1.5'' 3cc syringes and HCG/Sterile water (amount of sterile water, ect.)

I personally draw with 22 gauge and inject with 25 gauge. I use 1" for all my sites EXCEPT glutes, 1.5" for those. I would pick 2 more sites for your cycle though. 14 days between site pins is truly wonderful!

 

[BostonShaun]

Bump for the question about how much sterile water I would need for the 2 amps of HCG 5000iu/amp.

Also.... the site I'm ordering from is sodium chloride water.. is that OK for sub-q injections?

 

[ADenver]

Bump for the question about how much sterile water I would need for the 2 amps of HCG 5000iu/amp.

Also.... the site I'm ordering from is sodium chloride water.. is that OK for sub-q injections?

I would only use bacteriostatic water.

As for how much, it all depends on what concentration you want to mix it at. When i buy the water it comes in 30ml jugs.

 

[Roush]

Bump for the question about how much sterile water I would need for the 2 amps of HCG 5000iu/amp.

Also.... the site I'm ordering from is sodium chloride water.. is that OK for sub-q injections?

If u mix 5ml of bac water, then you'll have 10 500iu weekly injections with a half cc draw (ie half a slin pin or .5 ml)

If u want to inject twice weekly at 250 iu instead of once weekly, then mix the solution stronger, ie less bac water..

 

[arm189]

If u mix 5ml of bac water, then you'll have 10 500iu weekly injections with a half cc draw (ie half a slin pin or .5 ml)

If u want to inject twice weekly at 250 iu instead of once weekly, then mix the solution stronger, ie less bac water..

Less bac would make the measured amount even smaller... Would make more sense to go the other way. 5000iu/10ml then you have 1/2cc 2x/week.

If you cut the bac in half you'd be trying to draw 1/8cc for your 250iu.

 

[Roush]

Less bac would make the measured amount even smaller... Would make more sense to go the other way. 5000iu/10ml then you have 1/2cc 2x/week.

If you cut the bac in half you'd be trying to draw 1/8cc for your 250iu.

Yes the measured amount is smaller.. What I meant is the concentration is greater.. Meaning u don't have to inject as much volume to get the same iu of hcg

Due to a bit of a lump when injecting a half cc,, I made my concentration greater and now I'm injecting a quarter cc to get 500 ius in.. Did this by mixing in less bac water.. So yeah my volume went down but concentration stayed the same (ie 500 iu at 1/4 ml compared to 500 iu at 1/2 ml)

 

[Black Beard]

Bacteriostatic water is supposed to keep it fresh for longer. The reason it comes with regular sterile water or saline is because the standard medical usage calls for larger dosages. So you would have used it all up before it broke down.

 

[a1951chevy]

Just got to say that it's nice to see a guy getting good honest help that started with a decent post. Instead of I'm 19 and wanna get big so we're do I get tren lol!

This thread is why I really like being around here.

 

[BostonShaun]

Just got to say that it's nice to see a guy getting good honest help that started with a decent post. Instead of I'm 19 and wanna get big so we're do I get tren lol!

This thread is why I really like being around here.

The exact reason I chose this forum for my excursion into anabolics, and also the reason I made plenty sure I did as much research as possible before posing a question. I'm making damn sure I'm not going into this without being 100% positive I know what to do, and have the tools to do it. So technically, you guys are one of my tools

 

[ADenver]

The exact reason I chose this forum for my excursion into anabolics, and also the reason I made plenty sure I did as much research as possible before posing a question. I'm making damn sure I'm not going into this without being 100% positive I know what to do, and have the tools to do it. So technically, you guys are one of my tools

Don't call me names!

But yes, I use slin pins for HCG, so I like smaller dosages since i'm pinning subQ. Less mars landscape on my stomach/ass.

 

[BostonShaun]

Still some questions on this HCG/BAC water mixing... and I apologize before hand if I sound completely out of whack..

From the videos I've watched on youtube, the 5000iu HCG comes in a vial as a powder, then you add 10ml to reconstitute it... then what? I'm guessing I draw that mixture from the vial and put it into more BAC water? If so, how much?

I find a ton of info on the subject, but its all over the place and each one seems to be a different method. I'm basically looking for a "HCG/BAC mixing for dummies" lol...