A PH called 'The One'...PCT?

[barrysanders]

Hey guys,
My friend wants to take a PH called 'The One' (17a-methyl-etioallocholan-17b-ol-3-hydroxyimine). I have never heard or used it before-he said something about it being banned.

I have switched to gear myself a while back due to me wanting to get out of the oral game due because of the harshness of such products. However, when I was on PH's I personally always took an Aromatase inhibitor (AI) (aromasin) thoughout the whole cycle and did a standard post cycle therapy (pct) of Nolva.

Could I tell him that would be sufficent for this particular compound??? He said that his main concern is his sex drive shutting down (he has a new GF). He will not inject either...trust me I have tried to convert him.

Thanks for the post cycle therapy (pct) help!

 

[Rosie Chee Scott]

Hey guys,
My friend wants to take a PH called 'The One' (17a-methyl-etioallocholan-17b-ol-3-hydroxyimine). I have never heard or used it before-he said something about it being banned.

I have switched to gear myself a while back due to me wanting to get out of the oral game due because of the harshness of such products. However, when I was on PH's I personally always took an Aromatase inhibitor (AI) (aromasin) thoughout the whole cycle and did a standard post cycle therapy (pct) of Nolva.

Could I tell him that would be sufficent for this particular compound??? He said that his main concern is his sex drive shutting down (he has a new GF). He will not inject either...trust me I have tried to convert him.

Thanks for the post cycle therapy (pct) help!

First off, The ONE was never banned - Applied Nutriceuticals VOLUNTARILY discontinued the product.

As far as post cycle therapy (pct) - I covered ALL on-cycle AND post cycle therapy (pct) information and recommendations in >>>the Right Way To Gain 10-15lbs In 15 Days With The One!!!<<< - Anabolicminds.com I recommend reading through the ENTIRE thread.

~Rosie~
The Primordial Woman

 

[barrysanders]

Rosie,

I appreciate the educated response on the subject. I did read through your detailed information and found it quite helpful. However, since sex drive is particularly important to my friend wouldn't be better to use a better post cycle therapy (pct) rather than an OTC grade (nolva, clomid) & possibly an Aromatase inhibitor (AI) to cotrol bloat estrogen levels????????? And if not, why?

Thanks for your time!

Edited: I stared to read the Q&A section after your info. I read that you stated that Clomid or Nolva would be sufficient if used properly. That answers my own question-

However, I know that your educated more on this particular product than I. So, I will ask this in your professional opinion. Would it be better for someone to just use the post cycle therapy (pct) (2nd Gear), rather than a prescription post cycle therapy (pct) say Nolva or clomid??? Or perhaps a combiniation????

 

[Rosie Chee Scott]

Rosie,

I appreciate the educated response on the subject. I did read through your detailed information and found it quite helpful. However, since sex drive is particularly important to my friend wouldn't be better to use a better PCT rather than an OTC grade (nolva, clomid) & possibly an Aromatase inhibitor (AI) to cotrol bloat estrogen levels????????? And if not, why?

Thanks for your time!

Edited: I stared to read the Q&A section after your info. I read that you stated that Clomid or Nolva would be sufficient if used properly. That answers my own question-

However, I know that your educated more on this particular product than I. So, I will ask this in your professional opinion. Would it be better for someone to just use the PCT (2nd Gear), rather than a prescription PCT say Nolva or clomid??? Or perhaps a combiniation????

Too many people are too quick to instantly recommend and jump on Clomid or Nolva for PCT - honestly, they are not even necessary if you plan everything out correctly, and have an adequate PCT lined up.

2nd GEAR plus a Testosterone booster at the MINIMUM is adequate enough for PCT. The best PCT would be one including a Testosterone boosting STACK - covering your bases re increasing Total Testosterone, Free Testosterone, and cAMP levels. 6-Bromo - in 2nd GEAR - is a potent Aromatase inhibitor (AI), and therefore there is no need to use ANOTHER Aromatase inhibitor (AI) product.

 

[barrysanders]

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[shaggz]

Rosie,

I appreciate the educated response on the subject. I did read through your detailed information and found it quite helpful. However, since sex drive is particularly important to my friend wouldn't be better to use a better PCT rather than an OTC grade (nolva, clomid) & possibly an Aromatase inhibitor (AI) to cotrol bloat estrogen levels????????? And if not, why?

Thanks for your time!

Edited: I stared to read the Q&A section after your info. I read that you stated that Clomid or Nolva would be sufficient if used properly. That answers my own question-

However, I know that your educated more on this particular product than I. So, I will ask this in your professional opinion. Would it be better for someone to just use the PCT (2nd Gear), rather than a prescription PCT say Nolva or clomid??? Or perhaps a combiniation????

i think a combination would be best!
if its a PH..it definatly needs a SERM!!

 

[Rosie Chee Scott]

i think a combination would be best!
if its a PH..it definatly needs a SERM!!

Trust me, The ONE does NOT need a SERM. And not all hormonals require SERMS either.

 

[MMA732]

Well everyone has a different view on whether a SERM should be included in pct. I am not a big advocate on 6-bromo since it will convert to 6-bromotestosterone which is an androgen.

For PCT, I always recommend Clomid, HCGenerate, TCF-1, Mucana Pruriens, and Formastanzol. TheOne is methyl-DHT which is pretty much the same as regular DHT, its non-aromatizing but could lead to gyno since it suppresses natural DHT levels which is the reason shutdown occurs. Also keep in mind that DHT is nature's natural Aromatase Inhibitor. There are better options but its not that bad.

What are your goals? Feel free to pm me.

 

[Rosie Chee Scott]

Well everyone has a different view on whether a SERM should be included in pct. I am not a big advocate on 6-bromo since it will convert to 6-bromotestosterone which is an androgen.

It's only going to convert if you have too MUCH.

 

[MMA732]

It's only going to convert if you have too MUCH.

Me and Patrick Arnold seem to think otherwise....

 

[barrysanders]

Thanks MMA-I'm getting the same results with my research on the compounds as well. Thanks all for your time and efforts with this.

 

[jbryand101b]

aromatase inhibitors are common to converting into androgens. atd converts into 1,4,6 testosterone, 6-bromo converts into 6-bromotestosterone, formestane converts into 4-hydroxy testosterone (or something like it)

these androgens though being more potent than testosterone itself, convert in very small amounts, and not enough to cause concern in my opinion. others may feel differently. I know how pa feels about 6-bromo (a&b isomers). but, well, they work well enough in low dosages.

i'd say 50mg of 6-bromo would be enough, 100+ would most likely not be a wise idea, atleast, not in pct.

the one is a 1 step ph to methylated dht. it is also very weak. this isn't saying dht is not a very powerful androgen. but it is quickly deactivated into a useless metabolite in the muscle cell.

I would say when running the one at 3-4 caps each day, 2nd gear would be fine for post cycle therapy (pct). the one is weak. I thought it was a very crappy ph when i used it.

now if you were to stack it with something, like max lmg at 75mg or pro dienolone at 90mg with the one at 120mg, that would be a hell of a stack, and would require a more agressive pct.

 

[barrysanders]

aromatase inhibitors are common to converting into androgens. atd converts into 1,4,6 testosterone, 6-bromo converts into 6-bromotestosterone, formestane converts into 4-hydroxy testosterone (or something like it)

these androgens though being more potent than testosterone itself, convert in very small amounts, and not enough to cause concern in my opinion. others may feel differently. I know how pa feels about 6-bromo (a&b isomers). but, well, they work well enough in low dosages.

i'd say 50mg of 6-bromo would be enough, 100+ would most likely not be a wise idea, atleast, not in pct.

the one is a 1 step ph to methylated dht. it is also very weak. this isn't saying dht is not a very powerful androgen. but it is quickly deactivated into a useless metabolite in the muscle cell.

I would say when running the one at 3-4 caps each day, 2nd gear would be fine for post cycle therapy (pct). the one is weak. I thought it was a very crappy ph when i used it.

now if you were to stack it with something, like max lmg at 75mg or pro dienolone at 90mg with the one at 120mg, that would be a hell of a stack, and would require a more agressive pct.

Thanks for the great info!!! I'm trying to ease him into injects-so much safer all around, but I don't think he has the right mindset for that yet. Honestly, he should just workout and eat, which he has a problem with already. But hey, what can I tell a 28 year old man that will convince him otherwise right. STUBBORN! or STUPID! haven't figured out which one....lol...or perhaps both