A week away from real TRT. I need feedback.

[gabagool]

Hi.
Im currently getting 140 T shot from an MD, every ten days. I had low t (320ish), low usable, estriol in the 40's. I felt like old stanky ass. I mean.....NO energy, NO hapPiness (and plenty to be happy about) NO concentration, NO ability to focas, flabby and getty flabbier, just a plain ole wet rag. My marriage got real close to ending.....I felt all used up. Now, after about 6 months, do I feel better? I-I guess....sex drive is better, but it was DEAD, so any life is better. ANd frankly, my sex drive is the LEAST of my concerns.

So, I contacted a sponser, I don't know if I can name names, so for now, I wont. But he seems to be the most popular sponser here. He described a program of much more than just T. I read up on it, it makes sense. I wan't to remedy my main complaints AND get a little of my old workout results back. I used to respond to exercise quickly...but not any more. I want to go back to sleeping 6 hours and feeling rested, NOT 12 HOURS, and still tired.

If any of you have gone on a program with a sponser, can I get some opinions on the results? I am DREAMING for believing a few posts where the poster simply went on and on about how THRILLED he is with the results. Are reports of renewed vigor, increased strength, decreased depression and a turning back of the clock....are these reports exaggerated, or imagined?? I realize that at 50, these hormones may be a bit more dangerous than if I was 20, but I also see more than a bit of evidence that this danger is overblown by the media. My one main concern REALLY is that I will be disappointed in this and realize that yet another therapy is down the drain, and I am still feeling like crap. I don't want to lose hope, but if this doesn't work.........
Being depressed, having no energy and getting nauseated when I look in the mirror is no way of going through life. I am opening another business and frankly I am afraid that I will not have what it takes to get this CORRECTLY off the ground, and if THAT happens, I don't know how I will handle that. To be good at something for so long and to currently be UNABLE to do it really kills the soul

So, if there are any reports out there, things for me to look forward too, or beware of, I would appreciate it.
Thank you all very much.

 

[cjw2021]

Dangerous? Dude I see 75 year olds on forums like these on T and it is the best decision they ever made. I'm 21 and on it. Castration is no fun. I'd contact Chip as he will set you up right. What you are getting right now is NOT good TRT.

 

[CenturionHRT]

Gabagool-I want to stress this very important point. Getting your T levels into normal range is not dangerous at all. It is actually beneficial to your health in more ways than just feeling better.

Low T levels are associated with cardiovascular disease, diabetes and metabolic syndrome. Not to mention the fact that they actually now believe that men on testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) have less of a chance to develop prostate cancer.

 

[cjw2021]

I agree with centurion....abnormally low T levels is about as dangerous as it gets. I would rather be a lifetime smoker with normal t levels than someone with chronically low t levels. Metabolic syndrome almost immediately kicks in and the list goes on. Depression, no sex drive..etc. If you don't end up jumping out of a window you'll end up feeling like you already did with diabetes-low immunity - and all of this BS.

 

[gabagool]

Well
Thanks for the response. I just wish I could get my significant other of understand this all.....she's scared, and I don't want to scare her..........but all that media.....


BUt, I read those magical words in every other post..........."sense of well being"...Christ, its been YEARS since I ve had that sense. I miss it.

Thanks again.

 

[gabagool]

How about my BP. I have read that BP goes up. SInce I take meds now, and my BP usually reads LOWER than 120 or 80, is it something to worry about?

 

[cjw2021]

T will probably normalize your BP and you won't even need those meds.

 

[CHIP WADOWSKI]

Well
Thanks for the response. I just wish I could get my significant other of understand this all.....she's scared, and I don't want to scare her..........but all that media.....


BUt, I read those magical words in every other post..........."sense of well being"...Christ, its been YEARS since I ve had that sense. I miss it.

Thanks again.

Sooooo.... If the significant other had "female issues"... and was, say, Estrogen or Progesterone deficient, or had any other "female" issue, for that matter, it would be ok in her mind to go get the help she needs? Yet if her MAN, has bloodwork SHOWING that his shit was out of whack, he's not allowed to be healthy???

 

[gabagool]

Chip
I don't think its an issue of "not allowed to"

Its a conditioning of society.

Think about this. I know VERY LITTLE about HRT.....yet I know 10 times more than my doctor. How do you think that statement goes down with the AVERAGE american?? One thats been told that MDS know EVERYTHING when it comes to ones health?? Christ, I went over 20 years WITHOUT a doctor cause I COULDN'T STAND those 10 minute visits, ones where I felt I was seen as a PAIN IN THE ASS, one not even worthy of LOOKING AT IN THE FACE....yet millions of people put up with this disrespectful behavior cuzz "hes the DOCTOR". I love my MD, now...WHY? Not cuzz he's brilliant or popular, in fact, he kind of has a rep of not being so brilliant. Yet, he looks at me, he converses, he knows my family's names and their situations. HE TAKES INTEREST. BUT HE KNOW SQUAT ABOUT THIS STUFF. But, AT LEAST he takes into consideration what I say to him.

So, to my wife, the idea of doctors NOT knowing whats best is foolish. Its not that she doesn't want me to get better, its the idea that this "betterment" is not available in any MDS office.

I've heard what a straight up guy you are CHIp, how you take interest in your clients, not just their cash. So, of all people, yOU must realize how people feel when you show TRUE interest in them, as people. Thats my relationship with my doc. And thats why my wife can't understand why I want to go on Hormone Replacement Therapy (HRT) WITHOUT him. But, the truth is, he just ain't helping me that much, and I can't go on simply complaining about feeling like crap and not do anything about it.

Thanks

PS: Is that true? That BP may stabalize with HRT?? Ive heard the same about HGH, and I must say, my bp HAS gone down a bit. Hmm, something else to look forward to...

 

[Greybeard]

Gaba,

I'm just a few years behind you but I will tell you this:

Prior to Hormone Replacement Therapy (HRT) I was seeing a Psychologist and getting every pill there was pushed down my throat...

No energy, sex drive, motivation, sleep sucked, etc, etc. Plus I was way overweight because I had no energy to hit the gym.

Lifting and PT were a thing of the past for me...

Work, work and just staying awake to make the drive home every day was killing me!

Then I started on Hormone Replacement Therapy (HRT) and what a different path my life has taken! I had the drive to get back in the gym, lost all the excess weight gained through inactivity and poor diet.

Today I continue on toward my goals of being, feeling and looking like the person I
want to be and once was...

My personal physician had NO CLUE about HRT! To him it was all Voodoo...

But I did my own research and decided what did I have to lose?

Additionally, I no longer need my former Psychologist as my state of mind & body continue heading upwards to where they need to be!

Give it a shot and see what it does for you, whats the worst that can happen to you?

Chip gets my vote!

P.S. My BP used to be so bad I was getting headaches.

 

[gabagool]

SEE!!!!!????
See greybeards post???? THATS EXACTLY what I mean!!!!

I WANT TO FEEL LIKE THAT!!!!

IN FACT, one reason my wife AND OTHERS probably don't believe it is that is SOUNDS too good to be true.........man, I hope it isn't.

Greybeard, you PRIOR to your Hormone Replacement Therapy (HRT) sounds EXACTLY like me NOW. Im about to expand my business and i am TERRIFIED. I've no energy, I don't get exited about the prospect of this business...and IF I screw up, my wife will place the blame SQUARELY on my shoulders...(which IS where it belongs)

See, I want to look better, who doesn't? I want to see some changes in the gym, like I used to....BUT SO MUCH MORE IS RIDING on me feeling better......

I hope this works.

I am THRILLED, greybeard, on how you feel right now, its an inspiration.

Thank you

 

[CHIP WADOWSKI]

Chip
I don't think its an issue of "not allowed to"

Its a conditioning of society.

Think about this. I know VERY LITTLE about HRT.....yet I know 10 times more than my doctor. How do you think that statement goes down with the AVERAGE american?? One thats been told that MDS know EVERYTHING when it comes to ones health?? Christ, I went over 20 years WITHOUT a doctor cause I COULDN'T STAND those 10 minute visits, ones where I felt I was seen as a PAIN IN THE ASS, one not even worthy of LOOKING AT IN THE FACE....yet millions of people put up with this disrespectful behavior cuzz "hes the DOCTOR". I love my MD, now...WHY? Not cuzz he's brilliant or popular, in fact, he kind of has a rep of not being so brilliant. Yet, he looks at me, he converses, he knows my family's names and their situations. HE TAKES INTEREST. BUT HE KNOW SQUAT ABOUT THIS STUFF. But, AT LEAST he takes into consideration what I say to him.

So, to my wife, the idea of doctors NOT knowing whats best is foolish. Its not that she doesn't want me to get better, its the idea that this "betterment" is not available in any MDS office.

I've heard what a straight up guy you are CHIp, how you take interest in your clients, not just their cash. So, of all people, yOU must realize how people feel when you show TRUE interest in them, as people. Thats my relationship with my doc. And thats why my wife can't understand why I want to go on Hormone Replacement Therapy (HRT) WITHOUT him. But, the truth is, he just ain't helping me that much, and I can't go on simply complaining about feeling like crap and not do anything about it.

Thanks

PS: Is that true? That BP may stabalize with HRT?? Ive heard the same about HGH, and I must say, my bp HAS gone down a bit. Hmm, something else to look forward to...

GABAGOOL... PLEASE, SINCERELY, FORGIVE ME IF ANYTHING I SAID MAY HAVE SEEMED LIKE IT POINTED IN A NEGATIVE DIRECTION TOWARD YOUR WIFE. NOT MEANT THAT WAY AT ALL. I guess you could liken my expertise, knowledge, practical useage and experience to, lets say, some kind of individual, who is a diagnostic expert/mechanic that ONLY specializes in working on, saaayyy.... the BUGATTI VEYRON. And because ALL that expert does is FIX, not attempt to repair, but rather FIX, any issues that the VEYRON may have, to bring that son of a bitch BACK to where it should be.... THE BEST!!!!........ THAT EXPERT HAS ZERO TIME, TOLERANCE, OR PATIENCE TO ALLOW ANYONE TO TOUCH THAT CAR BUT HIM. IT DOESNT MATTER HOW MUCH THE OWNER LIKES HIS FREIND "DOWN THE STREET" WHO TINKERS ON MOTORS, OR HOW "NICE" THE MECHANIC IS AT THE GAS STATION, WHEN THE OWNER OF THAT VEYRON DECIDES TO MAKE THAT COMMITMENT TO EXCELLENCE TO HAVE HIS VEYRON FIXED PERFECTLY, THEN ITS HANDS OFF TO EVERYONE ELSE. I'M SORRY IF THIS COMES OFF AS ABRASIVE TO YOU, BUT I'M THE BEST OF THE BEST AT WHAT I DO FOR A REASON....

1.) BECAUSE I HAVE PERSONALLY LIVED THE DEEPEST, DARKEST SIDE OF HELL PRIOR TO MY OWN testosterone replacement therapy (TRT), AND THAT MAKES ME CARE ABOUT EVERYONE.

2.) BECAUSE I REFUSE TO ALLOW ANY OTHER "HANDS IN THE POT" EXCEPT FOR ME AND YOU(WIFES INCLUDED), WHEN IT COMES TO PUTTING TOGETHER THE "NEW YOU". I ABSOLUTELY, WILL NOT CONCEDE MY POSITION OF WHAT I HAVE LIVED, WHAT I KNOW TO BE CORRECT, AND WHAT I LIVE NOW, TO SOME "DOCTOR OR M.D." WHO'S COMPLETE AND UTTER LACK OF HRT/TRT KNOWLEDGE ACTUALLY PUTS PEOPLE/CLIENTS/PATIENTS IN HARMS WAY, VS. PULLING THEM OUT OF THE "HELL HOLE" THEY ARE LIVING IN. I HOPE THE BEST FOR YOU, MY BROTHER!!!!

 

[gabagool]

Chip
I never thought you said anything bad about my wife. What you said made perfect sense. Yeah, the medical community sees NOTHING, or very little wrong, with fixing hormone definciencies in women. But with men, its different for some reason. Look at menapause and ANDROPAUSE. Why is one seen as a natural event that can be improved upon with hormones, where the other (andropause) is seen as a natural process of getting older and ANY attempt mess with it is simply a mans attempt to adjust his EGO, someone just not coming to grips he's getting older. You see, a person with low t at 20 has an excuse to fix his T, someone MY age seems egotistical to try and fix it.

It BUGS me that I can't get anywhere NEAR the results I used to in the gym. My wife says its no big deal, its just part of getting older. Im saying, but if I can fix it, why not? ANd she says "maybe its NOT supposed to be fixed. That fixing one thing may hurt something far more important".

Now, I can see her point. Nobody knows the long term risks associated with hrt, longterm, do they?? But, I tell you , I can't live the way I am now SHORT TERM.


I was really just trying to let you understand how I feel loyalty to someone who treats me with respect, a human being. It always seems to be you strong point.

 

[CHIP WADOWSKI]

Hey bro,
I appreciate you saying that. Thank you. And, yeah, I do identify with your feelings on how your doc treats you and the fact that you like that quality, but in cases of your health and well-being, it takes a better "friend" to tell you that they really don't know what the hell they are doing, then to continue to put your health in jeopardy. That is when the ego needs to be checked at the door. You seem like a real loyal dude, and thats what I always identify with the most, but if someone is truly my friend and truly cares about me, I'd want them to tell me straight, that they cant help me the way I need to be helped. That doesnt make them any less of a person, it makes them a better one. Be cool bro. Always here to help if I can!

 

[mfpd]

My wife was initially hesitant when I went on a testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) program. After she saw the positive changes in me, she even reminds me when I need to inject and will often do the injections for me. I alternate injection sites of quads and glutes. It is nice to have some one do the glute shots for you.

Sure, if you workout regularly, you will see some decent gains in musculature, but that is just the tip of what it did for me. I have a renewed vigor back in life. I have that drive back again that I had in my 20's to go and conquer the world. I haven't felt this good in years. I bet that once she sees the positive changes in you and that the negative sides are way overblown in the general media that she will become very supportive of your endeavor into the testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) world.

 

[gabagool]

Chip, Greybeard and MFPD

THanks for taking the time to post. I tell you, its stories like Gb's and MF's that get me so friggen itchy to get started and help lay aside the doubts. Also, the confidence in which Chip INSISTS that positive changes WILL happen and NOT "might" happen really puts me at ease.

And MF, thanks for the hope on my wife. I was wondering if there were others who had someone they love and want to be with who doesn't see Hormone Replacement Therapy (HRT) as the right choice. Most of these posts are from single guys or guys that have women who lift and understand and want the physique....Its just that at my age, and with the crowd I hang out with, Hormone Replacement Therapy (HRT) is like plastic surgery, ego driven, but more dangerous. Thats maybe why I haven't read more guys saying that their wives were not too keen on the idea.

But thanks again for any uplifting stories or comments.

 

[cjw2021]

Well T strengthens the vascular system and if you have high bp it could potentially help. Don't even tell your wife, just call chip and then demand sex from her 4 times a week and wait for her to ask you what has changed.

 

[Greybeard]

Gaba,

I'm very much married and my wife is 10 years younger than I. She is EXTREMELY supportive now but was a bit worried initially from all the media hype...

We do work out together but neither of us have any desire or intention to compete.

And our working out together didn't really start until I got on Hormone Replacement Therapy (HRT) and my motivation & drive to get in the gym rubbed off on her!

BTW - I recently returned from a 6 month Op in Afghanistan. I could of never kept up with the pace the young studs are setting in my previous condition...

And keeping up with my Hormone Replacement Therapy (HRT) and training was no problem while there, just the shitty food... LOL!!!

 

[gabagool]

Ha Cj: Maybe that works for a stud like you, your wife DIGS the way look, believe me my sex is for pity, for doing her duty, in her eyes....and I don't blame her, Sometimes I look in the mirror and realize, damn, Im a hideous lookin cat.........So, if I can look better, the sex appeal is bound to go up!!

GreyB-
Christ, here I am thinking i need this stuff for business purposes and YOU need it so you can sacrifice for me and others to be able to mess around like this.....all my respect and appreciation, I cannot even fathem that much sacrifice AND than much responsiblity.

Hats off.

 

[CHIP WADOWSKI]

Well T strengthens the vascular system and if you have high bp it could potentially help. Don't even tell your wife, just call chip and then demand sex from her 4 times a week and wait for her to ask you what has changed.

LOL... Cj may be joking, maybe not. Either way, all my clients know that I am very clear where I stand when it comes to being upfront with your spouse. There is no reason AT ALL to ever lie about HRT. That is exactly how the stuff gets a bad name. Its not "taboo". Dishonesty is what makes IT, or anything else for that matter, TABOO. I've seen "THE ROAD TO HELL PAVED WITH GOOD INTENTIONS" when it comes to this shit. And I've seen close friends end up in divorce court because they didn't take my advice, and they lied to their wife. DONT DO IT. THATS WHY I ALSO OFFER "COUPLES COUNSELING" IF YOU WILL, BEFORE THERAPY BEGINS, IF A SPOUSE OR PARTNER NEEDS MORE INFO. I GOT ALL YOUR BACKS.