about 1st time cycles
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Cobra Strike
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so that way if you have any sides you know exactly where they came from...and then when you go add in another compound and you get sides you know which one of the two gave them too you and you can adjust the proper compound...test is a base cycle...lets call it your control like a science experiment
additionally, your body makes testosterone naturally. other drugs are synthetic versions that react in your body differently than testosterone. however, using any of them will still shut down your natural production of testosterone. using any other aas WITHOUT test will totally throw your body's natural hormone production out of whack and without putting test in from the outside there are a whole slew of potential negative effects.
including: emotional issues like depression, unwanted fat storage, erectile dysfunction
among others
why NOT do test alone the first time for the reasons listed above on top of all of the stuff cobra said which is dead on.... and every time after that as well?
including: emotional issues like depression, unwanted fat storage, erectile dysfunction
among others
why NOT do test alone the first time for the reasons listed above on top of all of the stuff cobra said which is dead on.... and every time after that as well?
yeah i reread your question and thought that might be what you meant.
enanthate is one of the most common esters of test you'll find. the longer ester means that you can shoot it twice a week so less pinning which is probably good for someone new to the whole thing.
it releases into your system slowly so it takes a while to build up to peak levels but the build up is probably smoother (my opinion based on the facts of ester cleavage)
you tend to run it for about 12 weeks or more because of the longer ester which means for someone new that is more time for them to get acclimated to adding strength and mass faster which in turn would hopefully equate to more gains and more maintains.
it is cheap and easy to make, and as a compound, is less likely to be painful to inject than test prop.
Cobra Strike
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how does anyone use the same type of ass? Im not sure I follow?? Every time I use some ass its different...unless I use the same ass over and over which does occur quite frequently....this question puzzles me
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Cobra Strike
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it will be fine to run two different types of aas lol just make sure the companies both put out a legit product...the only difference is the dosing...one may be underdosed and the other overdosed but its not a big concern...its fine
Good Grip
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If they are both reputable they should be the same thing.
angryboxer
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TheCodfather
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I was advised by some massive old head in the gym today to stick with ent because its slow releasing. He sad that short releasing esters like prop can shock your body and in the long run thats no good. Kinda made sense to me, but then am no expert.
Thoughts?
StumpMT
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Yeah, I've been researching a lot for my first cycle that I'm doing now. Test-E and Test-C are pretty much the same. A lot of people choose Test-E because maybe it's easier to get? Test-P being a shorter ester has a much shorter half-life and should be injected EOD. A lot of new guys want to ease into the whole 'injecting-something-in-my-body-with-a-big-ass-needle' thing. And Test-S has the shortest half-life and should be injected ED if not more often.
Test-E being a long ester makes planning and monitoring a cycle a lot easier I think.
Test-E being a long ester makes planning and monitoring a cycle a lot easier I think.
yeah if you think about short esters, depending your fat level, metabolism and other factors, things like prop can be gone within a few days. that means the majority of what you inject in a given week is actually hitting your system that week.
so 8 weeks on 500mg a week of prop is 8 weeks at 500 (basically.... and not accounting for ester weight for the sake of using a nice easy number like 500)
but 8 weeks on 500mg a week of enan would be like 100-150mg the first week, in the 200-low 300's the next week and then would go OVER 500mg a week for several weeks and then fade out the same way when you started it. so you'd actually be getting 500mg a week x 8 weeks over the course of like 10-12 weeks total time. slow build-up, slow fade-off, and then a peak of several weeks getting more than 500mg of hormone releasing into your system in any given week.
so you can see how that varies from the prop a bit. hit higher peak levels, building up slower and steady, same for the drop-off. the differences i suppose could have an effect on sides (as in more sides from your blood levels rising and falling more with prop.... more sides from the enanthate hitting higher peak levels.... etc.) but in the end it should be pretty similar.
of course, i might have it screwed up. that's just how i understand the ester cleavage.
and really, the prop is probably a bit slower on average, so the difference should not be huge between the two as far as peak levels reached and what not.
so 8 weeks on 500mg a week of prop is 8 weeks at 500 (basically.... and not accounting for ester weight for the sake of using a nice easy number like 500)
but 8 weeks on 500mg a week of enan would be like 100-150mg the first week, in the 200-low 300's the next week and then would go OVER 500mg a week for several weeks and then fade out the same way when you started it. so you'd actually be getting 500mg a week x 8 weeks over the course of like 10-12 weeks total time. slow build-up, slow fade-off, and then a peak of several weeks getting more than 500mg of hormone releasing into your system in any given week.
so you can see how that varies from the prop a bit. hit higher peak levels, building up slower and steady, same for the drop-off. the differences i suppose could have an effect on sides (as in more sides from your blood levels rising and falling more with prop.... more sides from the enanthate hitting higher peak levels.... etc.) but in the end it should be pretty similar.
of course, i might have it screwed up. that's just how i understand the ester cleavage.
and really, the prop is probably a bit slower on average, so the difference should not be huge between the two as far as peak levels reached and what not.
this is my understanding, yes. the way you eat will define your muscle gains and/or fat losses. the gear will make it easier and more pronounced, but ultimately it is up to how you eat and train.
That is true. It will help you gain and diet will determine most. But to be honest I don't get much bloat even when not eating clean. Test is amazing at how it can add muscle but your diet and training are a huge part of it. You can cut fat and maintain or even add muscle you just need to approach it right. Most people think test will make you big and bulky because most like to bulk as much as possible, including water weight, then diet down later while maintaining the newly added muscle mass. Hopefully anyway.
why did it make sense to you? He's wrong (actually have no idea what he means by shocking the body), but if it makes sense to you, why?
listen, i know plenty of guys who do/have done Deca only cycles, Tren only cycles, etc. All have recovered with and without post cycle therapy (pct). Some have held weight, some haven't. Some had no issues with libido, some have.
Everyone is different. But whats not different is what Ez stated. Test is what makes us men. Why risk it? Even if its a smaller dose of test, why not add it? Cheap, effective, blah blah.
No matter the type of test. Always have test in there somewhere to cover all your bases. Unless you're a risk junkie.
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