about to start epistane cycle

[gopherit06]

well new to site actually been reading it for past year off google, but finally decided to join.

ordered epistane just kept reading reviews, and it just seemed right.
10 first day
20 first week
20 second
30 third
30 fourth

i order cycle assist + dumping some fish oil + and animal pak???( i keep read run a vitamin pack on cycles, and thats what i have always used will this be cool found nothing about it?)

also ordered pct assist have My PWR preworkout which is like a nasty tasting jacked3d just half the price, so theres my nitric
then run a 20g creatine to 40g glutamine?

does this sound good there so many options i just kept writing till i thought worked with what i normally do

stats 22 yrs old 189lbs 6'2" 6-6.5% body fat
really like to get to 200 didn't wanna go ph route at first, but been doing my hw; maybe not enough on phs

also have some dmz, my friend gave it to me bc buy one bottle junk, but didn't know what i could do with it are they stackable?

 

[T-Paul]

well new to site actually been reading it for past year off google, but finally decided to join.

ordered epistane just kept reading reviews, and it just seemed right.
10 first day
20 first week
20 second
30 third
30 fourth

i order cycle assist + dumping some fish oil + and animal pak???( i keep read run a vitamin pack on cycles, and thats what i have always used will this be cool found nothing about it?)

also ordered post cycle therapy (pct) assist have My PWR preworkout which is like a nasty tasting jacked3d just half the price, so theres my nitric
then run a 20g creatine to 40g glutamine?

does this sound good there so many options i just kept writing till i thought worked with what i normally do

stats 22 yrs old 189lbs 6'2" 6-6.5% body fat
really like to get to 200 didn't wanna go ph route at first, but been doing my hw; maybe not enough on phs

also have some dmz, my friend gave it to me bc buy one bottle junk, but didn't know what i could do with it are they stackable?

You don't really need creatine or an N.O. when doing a PH. You will get pretty good pumps from the PH and save the creatine for your post cycle therapy (pct). What all are you doing for post cycle therapy (pct)?

 

[grenmoyo]

well new to site actually been reading it for past year off google, but finally decided to join.

ordered epistane just kept reading reviews, and it just seemed right.
10 first day
20 first week
20 second
30 third
30 fourth

i order cycle assist + dumping some fish oil + and animal pak???( i keep read run a vitamin pack on cycles, and thats what i have always used will this be cool found nothing about it?)

also ordered pct assist have My PWR preworkout which is like a nasty tasting jacked3d just half the price, so theres my nitric
then run a 20g creatine to 40g glutamine?

does this sound good there so many options i just kept writing till i thought worked with what i normally do

stats 22 yrs old 189lbs 6'2" 6-6.5% body fat
really like to get to 200 didn't wanna go ph route at first, but been doing my hw; maybe not enough on phs

also have some dmz, my friend gave it to me bc buy one bottle junk, but didn't know what i could do with it are they stackable?

both are methylated aren't they? I've done my fair share of Methyl compounds (halo and S-drol) Epistane will lean you out and make you pretty hard, and DMZ or Dimethazine is basically two S-drol molecules linked together, correct me if im wrong...if that's true... kiss your liver goodbye . S-drol is a pretty harsh chemical even in comparison to other methyl compounds. So I would recommend you stick with just one for now (probably the Epi). I recommend you "FIRST" load some cheap M-Thistle for two weeks to condition your liver and run that cycle assist when you get on it (if it has Thistle in it or some other Liver conditioner) Fish oil will help too so im glad your forward thinking on the effects it'll deal on your cholesterol and BP...

Like T-paul said before me, you don't need creatine or NO products during cycle, your muscles are goona be rock hard and gorging with blood 24/7...(I thought it was sorta uncomfortable at first) but yeah save those for during post cycle therapy (pct), Creatine Mono and NOX products will be a christ-send during PCT for you.

Make sure to drink a lot of water...(I'm talking more than a gallon a day, trust me your body will be asking for it...) your not gonna wanna be dehydrated during that because the PHs are gonna suck the extracellular water into your muscles so you look dry and stuff thanks to the fact that some PHs cause an inhibition of 11b-hydroxylase which will encourage mineralcorticoids like sodium and what not to store into the muscle fibers....

And T-paul is also correct on another note..."WHAT THE HELLS YOUR PCT!? " haha sorry, it's just that important...PCT assist isn't gonna cut it by itself bro, you need something more serious then that....(by all means though use it along with...) I had some success with topical Formestane, i've used 6-bromo products and that just made me irritable, but it works differantly for different people...

im new to the forum, not new to the S***.

ps: About Animal pak...I recommend it on or off cycle, it's just a good product for all around health.

 

[gopherit06]

okay gotcha yeah i was told not to take any creatine with it bc it was going to further my dehydration. should i get Nolvadex or Clomid would i need to do that with cycle assist or dump the cycle assist. adding that will that be enough? haha sorry, but i'm taking it till i have a game plan.
so i'm thinking

nolvadex or clomid
pct assist
jacked3d
creatine
glutamine
plus pak

about the thistle how much should i load a week before??

how will my sexdrive be on and off? i forgot to add i do take gaba at night should i lay off this on cycle then jump back on pct? on off days at gym without gaba. i say that bc gaba throws my drive through the roof

 

[gopherit06]

forgot to add i always take fish oil or flaxseed everyday like for past 3 years ive maybe missed 7 days i believe in it

 

[grenmoyo]

the amount you will need will be dependent on your own body. It shouldn't be too much i ran 200mgs of Standardized extract (silmaryn) and i also took Turmeric for extra support but that's optional, most here would probably consider that a low amount but i just took one capsule of high quality turmeric to help, that worked for me, but then again that was my first cycle, i would use a higher dose though....

as for clomid or Nolvadex, im not so sure that Epi will have an issue with excess estrogen because the fact that it is, in itself, an Aromatase inhibitor (AI). If u think about it, Estro rebound is a possibility thanks to SHBG...not 100% that a Pharma drug is necessary though for that , i've used topical formestane with some benefits thou... Epi's pretty weak on the Sides now that i think about it, so an OTC post cycle therapy (pct) might work well also.

 

[gopherit06]

really excited for tomorrow about to start cycle, but loading up on milk thistle has been cleaning me out. Ive been crapping like a buffalo for the past 3 days, but besides that i feel real good system seems to be tip top shape