Advice please... done my homework but no 'real life' steroid experience

[Firzst Timer]

Hey guys,

About to start my first cycle... actually I'm a week in and wanted to check if I've missed anything, or am making a silly mistake.

Major Concerns / priorities (not in order)
- Getting to the next level in muscle growth
- Losing around 5+ kilos of fat
- Keeping my hair (have lost some natually till now, male hairloss pattern thing)
- Minimal sides (particularly on the liver)
- The infamous deca-dick (think that's covered by the caber)

Stats first:

• Age: 28
• Height: 5'11
• Weight: 182 pounds
• Fat: Around 28%
• Training Experience: about a year

Weekly Schedule

• Duration - 12 weeks

Weeks 1 - 10

• Deca Durabolin 400mg (300mg-400mg)
• Test Ethanate 150mg (up to 250mg, depending on effect on hairloss)
• Clenbuiterol - 2 weeks on 2 weeks off, working up from 40mcg to approx 100-120mcg, increasing by 20mcg every three days by 20mcg. May only do this for the one two week block, will see based on results

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Weeks 11 - 12

• Test Ethanate 150mg - 250mg (not decided on dose yet)

Supps

• Dostinex (cabergoline) 0.5mg twice a week
• HCG - Thinking about a three week cycle between weeks 9-12... not really sure. Like the idea of keeping my balls
• PCP - Clomid or Novalex... unsure which one just yet, as well as dosages etc...

Diet

• Minimal sugar
• 2-3 protein shakes a day (one with carb after workouts)
• Lots of lean meats
• Lots of beans, lentils etc
• Not much white carbs
• Plan to eat like a horse when deca kicks in by around week 3, though it's already happening in week 1

Ok - so they're the hard and fast stats.

I've researched heaps so far just on web forums and can just add in:

• I know most people will say to run more test than deca, but keeping hairloss to a minimum is a priority for me. Can't use finasteride on deca either that sucks.
• I know I'm kinda rolling the dice at 250mg test for hairloss, and may reduce this to 150mg for the base level that my body should normally produce.
• In week one i didn't have the test and just used the deca.. felt tired, sad... think it was on account of having no test in me.

May pop this up on another forum as well, as little concerned I'm already at the start of week 2 before raising this question

Questions:

• Is there any reason I couldn't go up to 400mg on the deca? Particularly for long term deca dick? Is there benefit to going this high?
• Is 150mg test going to just cover my base testosterone levels?
• What's a reasonable goal for muscle growth on this kind of cycle?

Any other feedback on any part of this cycle would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks

 

[KaiserSose]

I personally always run test at least 150mg higher than other compounds, plus your just assumimg your going to lose a bunch of hair if you bump the test dose, I don't experience any hairloss problems, im sure someone with more knowledge will jump in but imo I don't like the test dose so low

 

[bigherm2121]

Get you bf% down before you do anything. Get your diet in check also. Having a 28% means you don't have a good build. Higher bf are more prone to sides. Gyno to be exact. One protein shake a day and 6 meals. You need food not 3 shakes. Bro just.being honest you shoulve.just done a test only. This is a horrible cycle. You always have to run test more then deca. Deca is useless under 400 less. Also useless if used less than 10 weeks

 

[Firzst Timer]

Get you bf% down before you do anything. Get your diet in check also. Having a 28% means you don't have a good build. Higher bf are more prone to sides. Gyno to be exact. One protein shake a day and 6 meals. You need food not 3 shakes. Bro just.being honest you shoulve.just done a test only. This is a horrible cycle. You always have to run test more then deca. Deca is useless under 400 less. Also useless if used less than 10 weeks

Thx, will drop down the shakes and up the good real food meals.

I was hoping to drop the body fat in the first three weeks with the clen, also have time off work over this period so if I get irrits sides I can be out of peoples faces...

That's the first I've heard about increased risk of gyno though... just realised i'd blipped with my body fat, it's 26%. See i'm slim hah. oh maybe not.

Thx, more pls. I've got thick skin so can take any negatives (no pun intended )

 

[DADAWG]

if you shed hair at 600 mg of test or less your gonna go bald no matter what because your genetic are awfull.
run the deca 12 weeks , run the test 1 week longer and go at least 350-400 mg a week. start pct 2 weeks after last injection.

 

[Dr. Steal]

OK not going to beat ya up here just going to give my honest to the point opinion...

You should get over the hair loss thing...if you do AAS and already have the male pattern going on it is as good as gone....

You should be running test at 400-500 mg split into 2 injections mon-thurs

You should not be doing the deca but if you just insist 400mg is an ok starting point but you should for sure be doing atleast 500 mg of test IMHO...

Until you know how you are going to react to the test/deca fuk the clen....you are putting a whole bunch of chemicals into your body at one time without knowing how you will react to any of them before hand.....BAD IDEA wtf are you going to do if you start getting side??? you will have no idea what is causing it.....

if this is the course you are going to take, a 14 wk cycle would be a more appropriate duration when considering the deca/test...you are correct to drop the deca 2 wks before the test however I just see little reason to run the deca for 10 wks on a 12 wk cycle....I would go 12 wks on a 14 wk cycle...Just my opinion....

I am not even going to get into the "you should have got your BF into check before your cycle soap box"

Sorry mate not tryin to be harsh

Good luck!!

 

[Dr. Steal]

OH and dont run deca without test.....Thats just plain crazy...

 

[Phatbastard]

Thx, will drop down the shakes and up the good real food meals.

I was hoping to drop the body fat in the first three weeks with the clen, also have time off work over this period so if I get irrits sides I can be out of peoples faces...

That's the first I've heard about increased risk of gyno though... just realised i'd blipped with my body fat, it's 26%. See i'm slim hah. oh maybe not.

Thx, more pls. I've got thick skin so can take any negatives (no pun intended )

Do your home work before playing with clen Period!!!!!!!!!

If used incorrectly you can end up with life long problems you sure dont want!

That said if I am going to use it which is VERY seldom I preffer it in the middle or towards the end of my cycles!

I like to get the AAS in my system and get my mataobolzim stimulated with them. Before pooring fuel in the furnace

Just my opinon even with 20 plus years in this game Im still not a clen fan! But used CORRECTLY it has its place. Guess Im just a PUSS lol but I like my Thyroid functioning with out life time MEDS

 

[Dr. Steal]

As far as your "pcp" read the "standard PCT" sticky on the front page... I always like the nolva/clomid combo..

And quit worrying about the hair thing..If it all falls out just buy a Corvette ....Thats what every other bald guy does....

 

[DADAWG]

As far as your "pcp" read the "standard PCT" sticky on the front page... I always like the nolva/clomid combo..

And quit worrying about the hair thing..If it all falls out just buy a Corvette ....Thats what every other bald guy does....

some shave it the rest of the way and ride a harley

 

[Bullseye Forever]

some shave it the rest of the way and ride a harley

lol!!

 

[bippal]

I dropped 12 percent bf in two months without clen or Eca. It's all diet man. You don't need a cycle till your down some bf , plenty of people start cycle with higher percentages but it's best to wait because you'll have some issue with e levels.

 

[Firzst Timer]

I dropped 12 percent bf in two months without clen or Eca. It's all diet man. You don't need a cycle till your down some bf , plenty of people start cycle with higher percentages but it's best to wait because you'll have some issue with e levels.

Dude if a silver alien living in a pink house can get down to 12 percent body fat in two months then bugger it I can too.

I really didn't like it's effects on me anyway, so I'm stopping the clen. Game on baby Al natural for ... well i'm target one month.

Maaay stop the deca and test thing as well for a few months. Bugger it I want to be big and beautiful and slim and wonderful and have everything right now dam it!!

A question:
If I was to do this, and stop all the juice now, after two 350mg shots of deca, and one 250mg shot of test yesterday, what would you guys recommend doing to help my body come back to normal if I was to hold out say another 3 months before trying cycle again?

Would I need to do the full PCT thing?

(thx for responses by the way, this is AWESOME and saved me much pain, even if, in doing so, it is making me feel like absolute poo.)

 

[Firzst Timer]

Do your home work before playing with clen Period!!!!!!!!!

If used incorrectly you can end up with life long problems you sure dont want!

That said if I am going to use it which is VERY seldom I preffer it in the middle or towards the end of my cycles!

I like to get the AAS in my system and get my mataobolzim stimulated with them. Before pooring fuel in the furnace

Just my opinon even with 20 plus years in this game Im still not a clen fan! But used CORRECTLY it has its place. Guess Im just a PUSS lol but I like my Thyroid functioning with out life time MEDS

Ah maan i read up so much about clen, I didn't find anything negative about combining with deca and base body production level test.

Guys is this a showstopper? Thinking of stopping the clen tomorrow anyway, I tried some in the past and had the same problem I have now, get the irrits from not sleeping enough, and am just lazy and tired on it.

hold the i-told-you-so's please

Clen's kinda nasty stuff from what I've felt it do so far. I just wanted to be slim and beautiful and diet and exercise has taken me sooo long in the past that i wanted my quick fix pls but it looks like more of a

 

[Firzst Timer]

OK not going to beat ya up here just going to give my honest to the point opinion...

You should get over the hair loss thing...if you do AAS and already have the male pattern going on it is as good as gone....

You should be running test at 400-500 mg split into 2 injections mon-thurs

You should not be doing the deca but if you just insist 400mg is an ok starting point but you should for sure be doing atleast 500 mg of test IMHO...

Until you know how you are going to react to the test/deca fuk the clen....you are putting a whole bunch of chemicals into your body at one time without knowing how you will react to any of them before hand.....BAD IDEA wtf are you going to do if you start getting side??? you will have no idea what is causing it.....

if this is the course you are going to take, a 14 wk cycle would be a more appropriate duration when considering the deca/test...you are correct to drop the deca 2 wks before the test however I just see little reason to run the deca for 10 wks on a 12 wk cycle....I would go 12 wks on a 14 wk cycle...Just my opinion....

I am not even going to get into the "you should have got your BF into check before your cycle soap box"

Sorry mate not tryin to be harsh

Good luck!!

This was uber helpful.. thx

and yeah i tried the clen for a week before i started the cycle and flipped out, now i tried again and i still dont like how it makes me feel so am stopping it. Plus i don't feel like doing cardio on it (heart goes boom boom even without running) so that is kinda counter intuitive for developing the habits that will make me become slim and awesome.

 

[bippal]

Silver alien? Learn to read good books people jeebus, that's sauron! And my little pink house has a lot to do with a John mellencamp song. Culture is your friend!

 

[Firzst Timer]

Silver alien? Learn to read good books people jeebus, that's sauron! And my little pink house has a lot to do with a John mellencamp song. Culture is your friend!

holy crap im taking advice from Lord Sauron.

I really am screwed.

 

[3rdGroupSF]

Haha. Welcome to the ology. These people here are great will get you on the right track to cutting those %'s away fast. Hit up the man 3J also. Time for a life changing experience for ya.

 

[KaiserSose]

If your serious about achieving your goals, stop gear now, run a light pct clomid 50mg ed for 2 weeks, get with 3j its a small price to pay to have a professional lay out a diet for you meal by meal day by day, no more guessing, up the cardio do first thing in the morning cardio at least 45 minutes at least 4 days a week plus workout hard, the diet cardio combo is truly the only effective way, ,btw I am a 3j client as well, don't even think about it, , just do it

 

[3J]

If your serious about achieving your goals, stop gear now, run a light post cycle therapy (pct) clomid 50mg ed for 2 weeks, get with 3j its a small price to pay to have a professional lay out a diet for you meal by meal day by day, no more guessing, up the cardio do first thing in the morning cardio at least 45 minutes at least 4 days a week plus workout hard, the diet cardio combo is truly the only effective way, ,btw I am a 3j client as well, don't even think about it, , just do it

gotta say he's right.. getting a diet together will be your best bet

email me at 3jdiet@gmail.com if interested