Unless he's a girl, then I think 10mg/day is the norm
Anavar only steroid cycle.
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Unless he's a girl, then I think 10mg/day is the norm
Austinite
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Correct. That's what allows you to function like a man.
Austinite
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I don't understand what you mean.
Austinite
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Yes. Women don't need testosterone and their doses are not impactful enough to cause any damage.
TheFitnessLife4ever
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I guess you really don't read the stickies do you....?
infamy
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i'm defiantly going to light some flames here, but oral only cycles CAN be effective. Especially if your a relatively new AAS user. You can still make tremendous gains using 50mg Anavar as your first cycle. Bodybuilders since the 70's used VAR as a bridge with relatively NO negative feedback, heck i see coaches STILL using it as a bridge.
You take a gamble of shutting down your HPTA, but from personal experience @60mg ed for 6 weeks i have never experienced major shutdown.
The reason why people will say your going to make " like no gains bro wtf 5 lbs" is because 1) you could be a new AAS user 2)your source could thus defiantly be questionable 3) Anavar is the #1 faked and under-dosed AAS out there.
Given your going to use a real product @ a moderate dose, @ a moderate time period, & your a new AAS user, you can expect to have a successful cycle with mild effects on your HPTA.
Austinite
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I never really understood the references to the 60's and 70's. It's 2013, we know a whole lot more about AAS use than they ever could fathom. Heck... Hepcidin, the main hormone responsible for blood-thickening from AAS was not discovered until the year 2000.
Frankly, with UGL Var, not even God himself can help you gain decent mass with 50mg. But anyway, it isnt about gains with var, it's about is overall well being, which will be hindered and inevitably, his efforts would as well.
You can do it... or.. you can do it right. And there's a big difference there. But seriously... forget 40+ years ago.
infamy
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As i mentioned Bridging with Var still is prevalent in bodybuilding today. As much and as far as AAS has come, Bodybuilders of the 70's 80's still looked as good if not better then the ones today. Maybe not as "freakish" but defiantly as good. SO in that case. 40+ years ago is still relevant. Especially since bodybuilders today still use training methods from the 70's.
70's bber's = moderate amounts of basic gear without any post cycle therapy (pct), ate the same foods we do today; trained very similar, i fail to see how it's not relevant.
If you read my post i mention 2 things 1) if he has real product 2) he may or may not be shutdown (weighing out the risk)
You seem to definitively know for fact that he's going to experience suppression without a doubt, where i seem to think that everyones endorcin systems are different and react differently to exogenous hormones.
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infamy
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Did not get bloodwork done, i'm an experienced AAS user; i'm in tune with the signs of various hormone imbalances ie low test, high estrogen, high cortisol, high prolactin so on and so forth. From my judgement i did not feel anything when comparing it to a cycle of test. Thus my theory that its suppression is minimal. For all i know my bloodwork markers could have been slightly out of range, but i'm fine now.
You are right to an extent, everyone's endocrine system is different and behaves differently to different stimuli but that does not change science and medical fact. Introducing exogenous AAS into the system WILL without question cause suppression. The way your belief that everyone reacts differently applies to this does not change the fact that they experience suppression, it applies to the level of suppression experienced. There is no medical or scientific evidence supporting anything other than this. The hypothalamus picks up on excess AAS, it stops or reduces the GnRH signal it secretes which then reduces stimulation or stops it of the pituitary. When the pituitary fails to get the GnRH hormone from the hypothalamus it stops making LH. The testes will then not receive LH and the Ledyig cells will not produce testosterone. This does not change from person to person, only the level or extent it happens to. Suppression happens immediately upon any amount of hormones the hypothalamus decides is too much. Simply saying everyone reacts differently does not change the physiologic function of the endocrine system and how it behaves to exogenous/excess hormones.
As to the point about BB's from years ago, I believe Austin is just referencing the fact that we know more than we did back then. Just bc someone got results doesn't mean we have to follow those methods when we now know better. People make results IN SPITE OF WHAT THEY DO not always BECAUSE OF WHAT THEY DO. An example is someone who thinks carbs are stored as fat and lead to fat gains. This person is wrong but on a cut he/she cuts carbs and loses weight and fat. They then claim they were right, namely carbs are stored as fat. This is a myopic view and incorrect. It's not the cutting of the carbs that lost fat, it's the reduction in overall caloric intake. "In spite of what we do not because".
Var will suppress HPTA, that point cannot be argued. Just because you felt ok does not change this fact. You may be ok running on less testosterone than the next man which is why you could've felt better than someone else who shuts down endogenous production. A var only cycle can bring results, nobody has really said otherwise. It's overall health and well being though that when taken into consideration brings us to the recommendation of "no oral only cycles". A mans primary hormone is testosterone, why cease its production simply to replace it with another hormone and not replace the missing test?
I don't mean any offense to you by this but your judgement is irrelevant. Blood work would have shown you otherwise.
Marathoncyclist
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Meh anavar only will give you about 5 lbs at max if you eat right, but add test for maximal results. Especially if you say you like needles, why not make your cycle more effective? Ive had experience with oral only cyles only, but most gains are not kept and they pretty much end up being just a waste of money.
Jesus christ man! I had to google 3 of them god damn words. Easy with that shit!
bushleaguechew
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Your age is showing Luke
I thought they taught kids to read by high school.
That should give you some sort of indication of what's going on here then lol
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