Anavar/ Test E cycle critique!

Kmaster15

Kmaster15

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Test E: 500 mg/wk-week 1-12
D-bol/T-bol: week 1-4 (kick starter)
Anavar: 50mg ED-week 5-12
Arimidex: .25-.50 mg EOD (depending on sides)
PCT: Nolva 40/40/20/20, Clomid 100/100/50/50-week 15-18

Taurine 4g-12g ED/ NAC 1000-2000mg ED (for Anavar pumps)

Second cycle, First was Test E and went perfect. Was planning on doing T-bol but now I think i'm leaning more towards D-bol, never ran D-bol before and heard awesome things about the well being feeling you get, and that's what its all about right feeling like a GOD in the gym or else whats the point of training? What would you guys recommend for D-bol dosing for a kick starter? Also, is Anavar too low or is it good for first time user?

Any other feedback would be AWESOME!! THANKS GUYS!!
 
Thank you.

I prefer Turinabol over Dianabol. It's quite similar without the side effects. 60 to 70 mg is my preference.

I would base Aromatase inhibitor (AI) dose on sides and blood work, not just sides.

PCT seems overly aggressive. I recommend Nolva @ 40/20/20/20 and Clomid at 75/50/50/50

12 Grams of taurine also seems excessive. Half of that should suffice.

Also consider running hCG on cycle. 250 IU twice weekly should suffice.

best of luck to you.
 
Austinite said:
Thank you.

I prefer Turinabol over Dianabol. It's quite similar without the side effects. 60 to 70 mg is my preference.

I would base Aromatase inhibitor (AI) dose on sides and blood work, not just sides.

PCT seems overly aggressive. I recommend Nolva @ 40/20/20/20 and Clomid at 75/50/50/50

12 Grams of taurine also seems excessive. Half of that should suffice.

Also consider running hCG on cycle. 250 IU twice weekly should suffice.

best of luck to you.
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Solid advice.

I personally don't like to run more than 6 weeks of orals. In my opinion, the point is to either get you anabolic while the enanthate builds up, or finish strong with synergism. Even low-moderate doses for 8+weeks are more deleterious than just running a normal kickstart of moderate dosage for 5-6 weeks.

Different strokes for different folks
 
Shaptown said:
Solid advice.

I personally don't like to run more than 6 weeks of orals. In my opinion, the point is to either get you anabolic while the enanthate builds up, or finish strong with synergism. Even low-moderate doses for 8+weeks are more deleterious than just running a normal kickstart of moderate dosage for 5-6 weeks.

Different strokes for different folks
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So in your opinion do you think that kick starters are really something that should be used or is it better to just implement the D-bol into the cycle for a longer peroid of time with a low- moderate dose? Basically do you agree with the "standard" kick start (First 4 weeks)?
 
Kmaster15 said:
So in your opinion do you think that kick starters are really something that should be used or is it better to just implement the D-bol into the cycle for a longer peroid of time with a low- moderate dose? Basically do you agree with the "standard" kick start (First 4 weeks)?
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This is your second cycle, and based on your stats, if it were me I would be going for mass. I love dbol. It gives me great effects, and the sides are nothing compared to the harsher compounds.

With that said, I love anavar too. To me it has a different place though. It is far more expensive, and I really notice the effects when I am at lower bf. You aren't pre competition, but when you are, anavar will undoubtedly have its place.

What I would do is run 50mg dbol for the first 4-5 weeks and be done with it. I think you will get great results and spare your liver some of the unnecessary stress. It took me running dozens of unnecessarily complex cycles to really get a feel for the tried and tested great ones; test enanthate with a dbol kickstart is one of them.

P.S. I know you are young, but don't forget the milk thistle.
 
Shaptown said:
This is your second cycle, and based on your stats, if it were me I would be going for mass. I love dbol. It gives me great effects, and the sides are nothing compared to the harsher compounds.

With that said, I love anavar too. To me it has a different place though. It is far more expensive, and I really notice the effects when I am at lower bf. You aren't pre competition, but when you are, anavar will undoubtedly have its place.

What I would do is run 50mg dbol for the first 4-5 weeks and be done with it. I think you will get great results and spare your liver some of the unnecessary stress. It took me running dozens of unnecessarily complex cycles to really get a feel for the tried and tested great ones; test enanthate with a dbol kickstart is one of them.

P.S. I know you are young, but don't forget the milk thistle.
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Ok sweet thanks for your honest opinion man and the things that I wanted out of this cycle was to get more lean while adding a good amount of muscle. The reason why I wanted to go with the anavar was for the lean factor and to stay dry and not bloated. I really just want to get lean seeing as for me it is more difficult then some other people I know, where their diet is shit and they are still pretty lean, lol. But ill keep your suggestion in mind for the future because I agree with you that a complicated cycle doesn't mean a better one. Thanks so much again.

Just out of curiosity when do you start to notice the physiological effects of D-bol? Dosage for Milk thistle?
 
Do you guys find the anavar pumps to be a big problem, happen often? What about your experience with the positive skin affect of var?
 
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In my experience bloating is diet dependent. You can cut on dbol if you like. You just need to eat properly for what your goals are. Talk to 3J in the diet forum; he is a guru. If your diet is on point it is very plausible for you to add some lean mass and cut the bf down.

In terms of the effects of dbol- I notice the feeling within a few days tops. I start to notice physique changes within a week and a half or so. That is just me.
 
Milk thistle is junk you had it right with the NAC. Id personally go for tbol wk 1-4 and save the var for a different cycle. If your gonna run 2 orals you need longer than 1 week in between even though var is mild it still is toxic just not as much as other orals
 
Kmaster15 said:
Test E: 500 mg/wk-week 1-12
D-bol/T-bol: week 1-4 (kick starter)
Anavar: 50mg ED-week 5-12
Arimidex: .25-.50 mg EOD (depending on sides)
PCT: Nolva 40/40/20/20, Clomid 100/100/50/50-week 15-18

Taurine 4g-12g ED/ NAC 1000-2000mg ED (for Anavar pumps)

Second cycle, First was Test E and went perfect. Was planning on doing T-bol but now I think i'm leaning more towards D-bol, never ran D-bol before and heard awesome things about the well being feeling you get, and that's what its all about right feeling like a GOD in the gym or else whats the point of training? What would you guys recommend for D-bol dosing for a kick starter? Also, is Anavar too low or is it good for first time user?

Any other feedback would be AWESOME!! THANKS GUYS!!
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Sounds pretty similar to my cycle actually.

1-12 test-e 600mg/week
1-10 tren ace 50mg ed/ 350mg/week
1-4 dbol 50mg ed
8-14 tbol 70mg ed

2g Nac ed
2 tablets of liv.52 3x ed

Adex .5mg eod
Caber .5mg every mon/fri

Nolva: 40/40/20/20
Clom: 50/50/50/50
 
jack3d4life said:
Sounds pretty similar to my cycle actually.

1-12 test-e 600mg/week
1-10 tren ace 50mg ed/ 350mg/week
1-4 dbol 50mg ed
8-14 tbol 70mg ed

2g Nac ed
2 tablets of liv.52 3x ed

Adex .5mg eod
Caber .5mg every mon/fri

Nolva: 40/40/20/20
Clom: 50/50/50/50
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Oh damn ya your cycle is very similar, have you used anavar before and for anyone else what are the difference in strength gains, weight gains from var or t-bol?
 
Shaptown said:
In my experience bloating is diet dependent. You can cut on dbol if you like. You just need to eat properly for what your goals are. Talk to 3J in the diet forum; he is a guru. If your diet is on point it is very plausible for you to add some lean mass and cut the bf down.

In terms of the effects of dbol- I notice the feeling within a few days tops. I start to notice physique changes within a week and a half or so. That is just me.
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Thanks for touching base on this, I know that anavar is not a "fat burning" but is great for lean mass,no bloat. And for losing fat on this cycle I will have a very strict diet but seeing as I have a more endomorphic body type I was looking into Albuterol.

I know this may be a very controversial topic but if anyone has any knowledge or experience with this that would be awesome. Albuterol vs Clenbuterol?
 
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